Doman Reconstruction: Watchtower issues

[Nalien]

you gotta be pragmatic on that situation even if you hate Garlemald not "i prefer to sleep in the open despite pouring because this building is garlean made and i hate everything garlean made!!"

That's not whats happening though... They put a roof over everyones head long ago... This was very much sold as one of the last, low priority projects... Heck I'm pretty sure one of the NPCs even mentions that they're tearing the tower down for scrap/supplies (I cannot check due to the nature of this content moving people around, the NPC that was standing by the tower is no longer there having completed work on it, I'm 100% sure a NPC was standing there saying they were reusing the steel from the tower though). If you can build a perfectly good tower out of stone, why not scrap the metal one and re-purpose that steel for other projects? Weapons, pots and pans, nails to put together things far more useful. How many buckets did scrapping that tower help produce? We may never know...

I really don't get the objection to this... A garden is purely cosmetic in the same sense replacing the tower because it's Garlean was (although there is nothing to scrap for materials when constructing the garden), and both the tower and garden are the final projects done when everything else that was important is out of the way... I'd rank the tower higher than the garden though, just because it's the first thing travellers are going to see. First impressions and all that, reminding people of the Garlean occupation every time they pop in probably isn't great for moral. I also very much doubt they have sufficient knowledge in metallurgy to adapt the Garlean tower into a lighthouse, which as they mentioned allows people to come into port at night. They needed to build a new tower, and they might as well scrap the unsightly reminder of occupation for parts while doing so.

[Remedi]

That's not whats happening though... They put a roof over everyones head long ago... This was very much sold as one of the last, low priority projects... Heck I'm pretty sure one of the NPCs even mentions that they're tearing the tower down for scrap/supplies (I cannot check due to the nature of this content moving people around, the NPC that was standing by the tower is no longer there having completed work on it, I'm 100% sure a NPC was standing there saying they were reusing the steel from the tower though). .

There was idd, Don't remember his name, but he's the hyur one, the one that is now in charge of the garden he said that garleans knows how to built stuff and that they sent the metal to master tsuranuki who was jumping of joy

[swiss_Momo]

I didn't really mind, also they already start with tearing down the tower a few weeks earlier, while you're still in the garrison "stage"

But it was a bit ironic if you compare it to the Ananta beast tribe quests, since they have a similar setting of Ala Mhigans wanting to tear down and rebuild the big bridge and castelum over the Velodinya river. Except there we have to help preventing that as it was a horrible idea that would've crippled trade to Ala Mhigo

[Iscah]

But it was a bit ironic if you compare it to the Ananta beast tribe quests, since they have a similar setting of Ala Mhigans wanting to tear down and rebuild the big bridge and castelum over the Velodinya river. Except there we have to help preventing that as it was a horrible idea that would've crippled trade to Ala Mhigo

As well as the other points discussed already, the Ananta are specifically shown to be good at metalworking, so they be better at keeping the tower maintained over time.

(And who knows, maybe they'll cover over the entire thing with their gorgeous architectural decorations like they've started to do with the bits they remodeled. Wouldn't it look spectacular!)

[Cybylt]

I thought the bridge was a very different situation. The pro-demolish side having no intention of repurposing anything from the demolition, demolition and reconstruction also represented a massively more complex and time consuming project what with it being a huge, canyon-spanning bridge and closing out the only road to the entirety of the world sending them people and resources.

They also wanted to do this before the establishment their own resources on top of the aforementioned closing down of their own trade route.

[Theodric]

The lack of an ability to actually erect a statue of Hien is frustrating.

I have mixed feelings in regard to the removal of the tower. I was born in a city that made a lot of money through tourism as a result of being host to a number of Roman structures that had been carefully preserved over the ages. Had those structures been removed after the Romans left then the city in question likely would not have done nearly so well for itself in the modern day.

As an aside, a subtle grave for Tsuyu would be an excellent addition to the area. I find myself wondering if lessons have truly been learned by the Domans in regards to Yotsuyu's torment or if the entire chapter will simply be brushed aside and forgotten about by future generations.

Though perhaps I will be pleasantly surprised once the final touches are made.

[Cybylt]

I have mixed feelings in regard to the removal of the tower. I was born in a city that made a lot of money through tourism as a result of being host to a number of Roman structures that had been carefully preserved over the ages. Had those structures been removed after the Romans left then the city in question likely would not have done nearly so well for itself in the modern day.

As an aside, a subtle grave for Tsuyu would be an excellent addition to the area. I find myself wondering if lessons have truly been learned by the Domans in regards to Yotsuyu's torment or if the entire chapter will simply be brushed aside and forgotten about by future generations.

They do have an entire castrum across the river should they choose to go down that route in the future.

I was a bit worried that at least Hien himself learned nothing from the whole ordeal since back in 4.2 when he learns the full story of slavery and that he had her former master in his employ and all he could muster from it all was, "Gosh Yotsuyu sure does scare people."

[TheMightyMollusk]

As an aside, a subtle grave for Tsuyu would be an excellent addition to the area. I find myself wondering if lessons have truly been learned by the Domans in regards to Yotsuyu's torment or if the entire chapter will simply be brushed aside and forgotten about by future generations.

Any grave for Tsuyu would be somewhere secret, to prevent vandalism from vengeful victims. She may get sympathy from those of us who could see her history, but to most of Doma she's just the evil dictator.

[Alleo]

If you have suffered years under a state and cruel ruler would you really want such a thing to stay? Or wouldnt you want to tear it down which would also be symbolic in a way that they are finally truly free of them?

I didn't really mind, also they already start with tearing down the tower a few weeks earlier, while you're still in the garrison "stage"

But it was a bit ironic if you compare it to the Ananta beast tribe quests, since they have a similar setting of Ala Mhigans wanting to tear down and rebuild the big bridge and castelum over the Velodinya river. Except there we have to help preventing that as it was a horrible idea that would've crippled trade to Ala Mhigo

Well take out a bridge and nobody can cross these parts of the land anymore. Thus it would be bad for the trade. (And they did try to change it up with statues and stuff) A watch tower is not that important to trading thus can be taken down.

[Cybylt]

They also used the bridge as a visual metaphor in a different mannner. The bridge wasn't something made by the Garleans. It was an Ala Mhigan structure and still clearly showed that construction that had the gate and guardhouse slapped on top of it by the Garleans which then gets plastered over with Ala Mhigan imagery and Ananta structural patterning. The layers of local history visualized in the first thing people see coming to the nation.

The tower, symbol of oppression, gets its metal scrapped for tools to enable the greater independence and self-sustainability of Domans, symbols of their freedom.