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    Add a CAPTCHA to crafting and gathering for the PC version.

    CAPTCHA, you know, those "type what this says to prove you're a human" things. It's ridiculous that it's gotten to the point where this is a genuine request. Seriously. It's getting completely out of hand and everybody who crafts or gathers knows exactly what I'm talking about. If they're not going to start actually banning these people, just put up a CAPTCHA once per hour or so. The game is developing a reputation. It's not just the old familiar names, now I'm seeing an increasing number of actual regular players who have watched SE's inaction for years and decided that they might as well start doing it too.

    Do. Something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    CAPTCHA, you know, those "type what this says to prove you're a human" things. It's ridiculous that it's gotten to the point where this is a genuine request. Seriously. It's getting completely out of hand and everybody who crafts or gathers knows exactly what I'm talking about. If they're not going to start actually banning these people, just put up a CAPTCHA once per hour or so. The game is developing a reputation. It's not just the old familiar names, now I'm seeing an increasing number of actual regular players who have watched SE's inaction for years and decided that they might as well start doing it too.

    Do. Something.
    Bots will adapt and become more advanced and solve the captchas. If I remember rightly, there already exist bots elsewhere that can solve captchas (audio and visual). It would halt the bots for a while, but they'd quickly adapt to it and it'd be back to business as usual.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    Bots will adapt and become more advanced and solve the captchas. If I remember rightly, there already exist bots elsewhere that can solve captchas (audio and visual). It would halt the bots for a while, but they'd quickly adapt to it and it'd be back to business as usual.
    This is akin to saying you shouldn't test for anabolic steroids in sports because there are more sophisticated PEDs that won't get caught that way. Yes, CAPTCHAs can be defeated by a sufficiently motivated attacker. The idea is to raise the bar, though. Provide enough of an obstacle that you exclude the less sophisticated cheaters and I believe you'll find that the more advanced programmers have better things to do with their time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    Bots will adapt and become more advanced and solve the captchas. If I remember rightly, there already exist bots elsewhere that can solve captchas (audio and visual). It would halt the bots for a while, but they'd quickly adapt to it and it'd be back to business as usual.
    Delete crafting and gathering. Fixed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    This is akin to saying you shouldn't test for anabolic steroids in sports because there are more sophisticated PEDs that won't get caught that way. Yes, CAPTCHAs can be defeated by a sufficiently motivated attacker. The idea is to raise the bar, though. Provide enough of an obstacle that you exclude the less sophisticated cheaters and I believe you'll find that the more advanced programmers have better things to do with their time.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a8029401.html

    There we go. It's a game of constant cat and mouse. Captcha's in game will just hinder the in-game experience for no valid reason. I'm all for more in-game stuff (maybe having weapons break, or nodes just refuse to spawn for a while, etc) to combat cheaters, but unless they devise an Eorzean-style captcha that would fit the in-game themes and aesthetics, I can't agree with this suggestion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic-Mal View Post
    Delete crafting and gathering. Fixed!
    Except there's PvP bots, FATE grinding bots, levelling bots, dungeon farming bots, etc. You'd have to delete the entire game to stop them.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Player Magic-Mal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    Except there's PvP bots, FATE grinding bots, levelling bots, dungeon farming bots, etc. You'd have to delete the entire game to stop them.
    And nothing of value would be lost :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic-Mal View Post
    And nothing of value would be lost :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Healing DRK is literally... the same since ShB. The reason why people think it's a meme to heal nowadays because DRK receives very little to no buff to their sustainability vs 3 other tanks getting something useful. If you're capable of healing DRK back in ShB (or any tanks), then you'll heal EW DRK just fine.

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    I'd like something to do be done about bots too, but throwing up captcha's in something I already find kind of tedious like crafting and gathering would just turn me off it completely.
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    Maybe we could see dummy nodes and dummy mobs that bots will go after and waste time on / die to. I've seen it being used in mmos with botting problems and it seems to work well enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    It's not just the old familiar names, now I'm seeing an increasing number of actual regular players who have watched SE's inaction for years and decided that they might as well start doing it too.
    If you want SE to do something about bots, then this needs to continue to happen and on a larger scale.
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