Make relics have the same iLVL as the Raid weapons and released at the same time

[Wijnand]

Why do the raiders think that if the Relic weapon is the same level as the Raid weapon, there would be no incentive to raid?

Like why would you care if someone got a Ilvl405 Relic weapon that glows after that person took an entire month of grinding to make? It takes absolutely nothing from anyone who raids. In fact, obtaining a weapon thru raiding is and was always easier if you have a static, since once you know the mechanics, you can just farm it.

The best weapons in FFXI are relics. The Bosses in Escha zones drop some freebie weapons that count as Raid weapons but are no where near as powerful as the relics or as what FFXI calls them "R.E.M.A" weapons.

Having the Relics/Eurekan weapons at the same ilvl as Raid weapons, gives all players something to progress and log in for. Reducing it as a glamour item killed it.

Not everyone likes to raid. Just like not everyone likes to do Relics/Eureka. Raiders have something to do every week. Give the casuals something to do as well, progression wise that is actually worth the time doing not just for glamour.

It is obvious you haven't raided before. And it is really hard to explain to you why people would be against this so much but lets give it a shot.

1.) Getting to O12S requires for some groups weeks/months
2.) it can take 1-8 weeks to get your relic weapon once you hit that phase.
3.) you cannot "grind" weapons out until 3 weeks before the new patch launch.

Savage is meant for people who want to push their skills to the limits and to do content designed for people with determination and the will to learn a set of scripted fights. Your entirely entitled to not ever step foot in any savage. However you can also understand there has to be a reward for doing savage. in ARR we had story gated behind it and it was a valid concern why people didn't like that so we got the normal mode for raids.

That leaves us with weapons, in the end you do not need a weapon that is the same if you don't raid. And giving people who want to play casually the best weapons the game has to offer that can take 10,000 whatevers to gather still removes any real incentive to learn a fight deal with people you don't like and be stressed over wiping countless times.

There have been weeks where i had 0 to show with my static when we were working on O8S. adding any grindy weapon no matter how long would kill most people's need to learn that fight. You haven't given much argument on why you need a bigger stick for what your doing.Nothing in the casual world cannot be done with a 380 weapon right now. The only reason you could want a 405 relic out of the gate is cause you want to skip steps.

It is entirely fine and I respect that viewpoint but also understand there has to be balance in this game. And it cannot be balanced that way. I know I won't raid anymore if i can get a equal relic weapon cause that is consistent grinding and i will get it consistently (unless its that pit pagos). Eventually in 4.5.5 relic will be the same as the savage weapon like always.