All Class/Job Glamour Request Thread

[Gemina]

*sigh* I knew peeps would grab this and take it beyond Yoshi's intentions.

I would like to point out a couple of things out from this interview with Yoshi:

German Media : Glamour restriction seem to be very hard since you can only glamour items of your own class or fellow classes that share the item. Would it be possible in the future for example to have a White Mage being able to glamour parts of Paladin’s gear ?

Yoshida : But then it wouldn’t be a White Mage anymore !

I already know the playerbase is going to rip this comment apart by all the available glamours for a white mage that make it look like anything but a white mage. I am not sure if what Yoshi is saying is lost in translation, but the truth here is that by allowing a WHM to glamour PLD gauntlets, is it no longer makes them belong to PLD. The job doesn't lose it's identity; the gear does.

German Media : The community was thinking about just some parts like hands or boots that really fits with the other outfits.

R.O.L.M.F.A.O.

Please. If we want the forums to represent the community, it is quite clear from the posts here that they are thinking more than just hands and boots. Give an inch, take a mile. SE gave that inch long ago, and now the community demands for all restrictions to be lifted. Even AF.

Yoshida : But everybody have their own taste, if there is one person that think that those Paladin’s gloves would fit really good with their White Mage outfit and that’s just one person opinion and some people might think that looks ridiculous.

That said, we are not completely closed to opening up certain types of equipment to make them all classes availables when it comes to the glamour system.

This right here should let everyone know that one voice does not represent all. SE acknowledges that they have a diverse playerbase and have to make judgment calls based on their own vision of the game and player demand. They like for these to line up as much as possible, obviously.

Do any of you honestly think SE has any intention of going over old code and fixing it to lift restrictions? Hell no they don't. That is why they have continuously released color palette swaps of recently released gear, and reusing old designs. They are however open to releasing previous designs, like say skirts of fending/striking/maiming for all classes. But several decide to express their desire for all restrictions to be lifted. This is not what he's looking for; at all. I am quite sure he is already WELL aware of this demand.

[Rokke]

I already know the playerbase is going to rip this comment apart by all the available glamours for a white mage that make it look like anything but a white mage. I am not sure if what Yoshi is saying is lost in translation, but the truth here is that by allowing a WHM to glamour PLD gauntlets, is it no longer makes them belong to PLD. The job doesn't lose it's identity; the gear does.

...and?

From the beginning I'm thinking "Popalymo has plate arms, Yda has plate legs, Neither of them are tanks!"

Magnai’s skimpy blue bodyguard has a NIN eyepatch, healer gloves, and caster boots… and he’s a MNK.

[Gemina]

...and?

Magnai’s skimpy blue bodyguard has a NIN eyepatch, healer gloves, and caster boots… and he’s a MNK.

...and?
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[Rokke]

...and?
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And I think its silly that I cannot recreate his look because he is not limited to our glamour rules ?

[Gemina]

And I think its silly that I cannot recreate his look because he is not limited to our glamour rules ?

And I think that NPC looks silly.

We're still on square one.

[Rokke]

And I think that NPC looks silly.

Fabulous, and if glamour restrictions were loosened no one would hold a gun to your head and force you to dress like him!

Several tribes of the Steppe do not follow our glamour restrictions. The person who designs NPCs had fun bending the rules.

I think he looks neat sooooo.....where are we?

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[Gemina]

Fabulous, and if glamour restrictions were loosened no one would hold a gun to your head and force you to dress like him!

Several tribes of the Steppe do not follow our glamour restrictions. The person who designs NPCs had fun bending the rules.

They already are loose. You just want what you can't have.

And what rules? I wasn't aware NPCs had restrictions. I am aware of things that are exclusive to them though: Hilda is biracial, Minfillia has a larger bust size than allowed by the Midlander slider, Raubahn dual wields one-handed swords at a point in the game. Just to name some examples of ways NPC's "bend" the rules. Exceptions don't warrant lifting restrictions by any means.

[LineageRazor]

Yoshida : But everybody have their own taste, if there is one person that think that those Paladin’s gloves would fit really good with their White Mage outfit and that’s just one person opinion and some people might think that looks ridiculous.

That said, we are not completely closed to opening up certain types of equipment to make them all classes availables when it comes to the glamour system.

This right here should let everyone know that one voice does not represent all. SE acknowledges that they have a diverse playerbase and have to make judgment calls based on their own vision of the game and player demand. They like for these to line up as much as possible, obviously.

This part that you bolded is not something that the community missed or misunderstood. Not at all. In fact, it's the part closest to the heart of why the community is irritated.

So, Yoshi P is implying that he doesn't want healers to wear Paladin gear, because some players would think it looks silly. Yoshi's authorized additions to the Glamour system have not shown ANY indication that he actually cares whether players think each other's glamours look silly. This is a man who's cool with a player who wears a fat chocobo head with swimwear, and if you tell me that Yoshi P allowed this because he was sure everyone in the player community would think that it's fine, sensible equipment for adventuring, I'll flat out call you a liar. The hypocrisy in this quote makes it clear that he's deflecting, that he's digging in his heels. This is something HE wants - or that he feels would be too costly to fix. It's not what he honestly believes the community wants.

As you say, SE wants their vision to line up with the community as much as possible, and in my estimation, folks who want looser restrictions on glamor are not outnumbered by those who are fine with the status quo (excluding folks who don't care about glamour at all). There may be reasons why they can't/won't give this to us, but those reasons are not the ones Yoshi P is speaking of in these quotes.

[Arrius]

As you say, SE wants their vision to line up with the community as much as possible, and in my estimation, folks who want looser restrictions on glamor are not outnumbered by those who are fine with the status quo (excluding folks who don't care about glamour at all). There may be reasons why they can't/won't give this to us, but those reasons are not the ones Yoshi P is speaking of in these quotes.

I do think it's more that Yoshi-P (or/and maybe the dev team itself) thinks that there should be a certain design stereotype for the jobs and it shouldn't be shaken up for the sake of glamour.
Tank wear plate, melee/ranged DPS wear leather, casters wear mostly long cloth. You see that nearly everywhere - Movies, TV series, Anime. And that's how SE wants the game to presented in trailers and screenshots, because through their visual design you can spot who is what.

The fact you can glamour it all with swimsuits and whatnot is just a handwave to give the players some degree of freedom of how they want to look themselves.

[LineageRazor]

I do think it's more that Yoshi-P (or/and maybe the dev team itself) thinks that there should be a certain design stereotype for the jobs and it shouldn't be shaken up for the sake of glamour.
Tank wear plate, melee/ranged DPS wear leather, casters wear mostly long cloth. You see that nearly everywhere - Movies, TV series, Anime. And that's how SE wants the game to presented in trailers and screenshots, because through their visual design you can spot who is what.

The fact you can glamour it all with swimsuits and whatnot is just a handwave to give the players some degree of freedom of how they want to look themselves.

In the first paragraph you say, "Yoshi-P and devs" think that jobs should resemble certain stereotypes." In the second paragraph, you then go on to say "Tanks are free not to resemble their stereotype." So, everyone has to look like their chosen job, EXCEPT for a lucky subset of the players? That hardly seems fair.

Basically, Yoshi-P and devs may have once claimed the stereotype thing, but that went right out the window as soon as they added non-tankish glamours that tanks can wear. Folks in this thread just want SE to finish the job, and allow OTHER jobs the freedom that tanks already have!

Yoshi-P seems to be suggesting that we ask for SPECIFIC pieces of gear to make into glamours - e.g., we say, "We want glamour gear that looks like High Allagan tanking gear!" and they develop a new set of glamour gear of that type. Healers (and everyone else) would then be able to dress up as a specific kind of tank. It's a start, but it's a ridiculously clunky process, which requires getting the developers' attention with a request and the developers then spending time to add the new equipment to the game. And, in the end, this only satisfies a small portion of glamour enthusiasts for each new set added. Anyone who had their eyes on a DIFFERENT set of tanking gear is left in the cold, unless they go through the same, tedious process.

It would be far easier and satisfy more players just to comment out the bit of code that asks, "Is current job/class in the list that can wear this armor?" and replace it with a universal "Yes". It should be just that easy, unless there's some ridiculous spaghetti code involved. I suspect, though, that the main reason why they haven't done this is because of Artifact Armor. The devs may actually be okay with a healer dressing as a tank, but they're LESS okay with the idea of a White Mage dressing as a Paladin. It is understandable that they'd want to reserve the iconic equipment each job has for that job alone - and it's a lot more difficult to leave some exceptions than it is to just unlock everything.