We've come a long way

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Sorry for that exageration, but is how I feel about WHM's future. And that's why I'm testing SCH and AST.

I don't blame you, SE really doesn't seem to care about WHM. Probably because despite how behind it is in raids, it's still one of the more popular jobs for the aesthetic alone. It's so damn unfortunate, but until WHM hits AST player numbers, not much will probably change.

I've been playing SCH more lately, it feels so much more solid and efficient.

[Gemina]

Does everyone remember like a year ago when this forum was literally all just arguments about the validity of the belief that healer dps should be mandatory and standing around doing nothing was rude and useless?

I feel like it's finally over. We made it. We won. All those thousands of posts and now we live in a world where Donald Trump is president and healers know they should dps.

Be happy, this is a victory for the people \o/

I'm a little less optimistic, and see that battle as a means to retain community value rather than extend it. Healers DPSing during content was/is common sense, and also common courtesy. Them doing it now without influence is like getting the paper boy to come off of strike. I'm not trying to mock anything, and I am glad healers are DPSing now, but they really should have been doing it this entire time is the point I am getting at.

[Alrin]

They really should have been doing it this entire time is the point I am getting at.

Yes they should but (I was called naive a lot of times ) maybe they came from the game where healers were supposed to be 100% time healing (whatever game that may be) or they are new to healing, have different image about healing and nobody enlightened them about what to be healer means in FF14.

All we can do is make it visible on the forums (Kudos to Moro) and of course tell that to those healers

[Lastelli]

Sorry for that exageration, but is how I feel about WHM's future. And that's why I'm testing SCH and AST.

Honestly, after you reach a certain skill level as a healer, I don't see how you won't grow bored of playing WHM. It's so basic as a job, and both AST and SCH are way more dynamic, give you more interesting and diverse tools to play with and prove how good you can be as a player. I mean, I understand that there are people that like simple jobs so they can focus more on mechanics, but thankfully we can freely switch jobs whenever we want and healers all share the same gear. Just try other healers and show SE that WHM needs some attention. Right now, WHM is the most played healer. This probably makes the devs believe that it's actually in a great spot and that a lot of healers prefer using a blatantly underpowered job if it's easier.

What I wanted to say is, please do try SCH and AST. You will probably like them more than WHM.

[MoroMurasaki]

Honestly, after you reach a certain skill level as a healer, I don't see how you won't grow bored of playing WHM. It's so basic as a job, and both AST and SCH are way more dynamic, give you more interesting and diverse tools to play with and prove how good you can be as a player. I mean, I understand that there are people that like simple jobs so they can focus more on mechanics, but thankfully we can freely switch jobs whenever we want and healers all share the same gear. Just try other healers and show SE that WHM needs some attention. Right now, WHM is the most played healer. This probably makes the devs believe that it's actually in a great spot and that a lot of healers prefer using a blatantly underpowered job if it's easier.

What I wanted to say is, please do try SCH and AST. You will probably like them more than WHM.

I'm not sure what content you're looking at but for quite some time now SCH has been the most played healer in Savage which is what things get balanced around. WHY may be more used in expert roulette or whatever (as it should) but that's not to say that that should have literally any impact on balancing.

As far as liking AST or SCH more I was a SCH main in HW who swapped to WHM for SB and mained it up until the end of Sigma. I can say AST is less painful to play with the Malefic cast time reduction but I still don't enjoy playing it. AST is so reliant on the party doing basic things to stay alive (stand in the star) or maximize dps (... don't suck if you get cards I guess?) that with pugs it's so painful to play. SCH is fun I suppose but also doesn't feel as carry-friendly as WHM as once you burn aetherflow and dissipation you're basically level 50 again. WHM has the throughput to drag even the baddest bads through things and that's an enjoyable trait in today's DF.

[Lastelli]

I'm not sure what content you're looking at but for quite some time now SCH has been the most played healer in Savage which is what things get balanced around. WHY may be more used in expert roulette or whatever (as it should) but that's not to say that that should have literally any impact on balancing.

As far as liking AST or SCH more I was a SCH main in HW who swapped to WHM for SB and mained it up until the end of Sigma. I can say AST is less painful to play with the Malefic cast time reduction but I still don't enjoy playing it. AST is so reliant on the party doing basic things to stay alive (stand in the star) or maximize dps (... don't suck if you get cards I guess?) that with pugs it's so painful to play. SCH is fun I suppose but also doesn't feel as carry-friendly as WHM as once you burn aetherflow and dissipation you're basically level 50 again. WHM has the throughput to drag even the baddest bads through things and that's an enjoyable trait in today's DF.

According to fflogs, whm is more utilized than ast in alphascape except for o12s. I suppose that's because most competent statics prefer AST as they recognize that in organized parties it is a far superior choice, both from a healing and a dps point of view. Casual statics are ok with a whm because at their level, optimized play and job balance really doesn't matter anymore. I still interpret those numbers as whm being a preferred choice for less skilled parties not really because whm is "safer", but because a ast/sch combo requires 2 skilled and coordinated healers to achieve great results (correct use of earthly star, regens, indo and so on, and unfortunately many healers are not able to achieve a good level of coordination), whereas whm can be effective even in the hands of a relatively unskilled healer because of its straightforward toolkit and even when the cohealer is not paying attention (like sch wasting indo when the whm is casting cure 3...I've seen this so many times in pf). I guess what I want to say is, whm is not a better healer. It's just far easier to use effectively because its tools are more straightforward. AST has a much higher skill ceiling, but after the ceiling is reached it can do amazing things.

[Yuyuka3]

I can't be as optimistic as you're.

Maybe us WHM will be buffed, but that won't change the fact that S-E loves SCH and S-E have fun fine tunning AST. At 5.4 we'll benched again. And when a new healer appears (Dancer, Geomancer, Green Mage, Beastmaster, whatever), we'll be benched even more. S-E will happily fine tune that new class, will buff AST, buff SCH and forget we even exist to the point we'll even be locked out of PF. The utilities we yet have will be given to other healers or just taken away and we will receive none. And lillies will remain the same.

Sorry for that exageration, but is how I feel about WHM's future. And that's why I'm testing SCH and AST.

Why are you sorry for evaluating the situation as it is? No reason for that.

[Ssmiley_Bjakkzz]

If someone just wanted a healer instead me have to ask for join, changing the actions favour like they were doin me the kind offer instead...

[Yui_Tenshi]

WHM will be forever sacrificed by SE, at least that seemed to be the case throughout several of the Final Fantasy games...

[technole]

Cleric Stance change did a lot to encourage healer DPS, but also community perspective that the optimal way to play any job is making use of every GCD you have.

Now Cleric Stance is just a 1% damage increase, and having it was just purely optional when there was limited skill slots. Which also was a Stormblood disaster playing this skill slot roulette game depending on the instance you are doing.

As for White Mage, I love how that old argument about WHM being "safer" is dead, if anything it's more of a risk. Some extra regen potency and Cure 3 alone won't save it.

Doesn't help it's really the only job where you practically ignore the gauge. Astro party buffs and DPS put it several steps ahead this tier. It's funny after being so far from the Balance card nerf here we are again with the same situation at the end of Heavensward.

The tanks are in a much better situation between the three. Paladin came from worst to first.