A self-improvement tool is needed in this game, especially for end game

[Vahlnir]

This might be a bit off topic but did they ever give a reason why you can't discuss parsing in PF?

Because parsers are technically against the ToS. Yoshi P has taken the "don't ask, don't tell" stance though. Basically, if you parse...don't talk about it. Ever.

[KaivaC]

Because parsers are technically against the ToS. Yoshi P has taken the "don't ask, don't tell" stance though. Basically, if you parse...don't talk about it. Ever.

Indeed. Really, it depends on how it's worded and the players in the party. Saw this a few weeks ago in O9S. A SAM and BLM were causing us to miss the orb check, and the party leader said that they needed to pick it up otherwise they'd have to kick and replace. SAM picked it up.

It can work, but people in savage need tougher skin and not be so quick to cry foul when low DPS is mentioned. Harassment is harassment, yes, but we shouldn't be in the current situation where players are having to coddle in savage because of a fear of getting reported and banned. Contrary to the buzz words often used on the forums, there is a middle ground to pointing out things like this that literally can cost an entire party a waste of a run. Food and pots are expensive, you know.

[Sorimachi87]

It can work, but people in savage need tougher skin and not be so quick to cry foul when low DPS is mentioned. Harassment is harassment, yes, but we shouldn't be in the current situation where players are having to coddle in savage because of a fear of getting reported and banned. Contrary to the buzz words often used on the forums, there is a middle ground to pointing out things like this that literally can cost an entire party a waste of a run. Food and pots are expensive, you know.

This is already present in normal content and duty finder groups. I can understand Alphascape, i can understand certain high lvl trials but i can't understand low lvl dungeons or mandatory content in general...

But yeah i am just a filthy casual that tries to give their best showing every single run. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt ..

[OurMom]

Because parsers are technically against the ToS. Yoshi P has taken the "don't ask, don't tell" stance though. Basically, if you parse...don't talk about it. Ever.

So he's technically allowing us to parse?

Then it should be allowed to create a PF and say "Hey you will be parsed" that will cut down on a lot of problems that community currently has. I get the whole "dont say anything" in the DF but premades should be able to talk about it. It'll also help ps4 players a bit. This whole situation is really weird, what's the point in having dps checks and not be able to parse? I've also never seen a community so against improving or being told "hey you're doing this wrong".

Something needs to be done, the fear-mongering needs to stop as well.

[Dzian]

I think the casual side of the playerbase needs to grow a thicker skin and learn to stop whining when somebody gives them general tips about their job. This coddle mentality is probably part of the reason why the devs are so insistent on simplifying things and trying to bridge the gap, when all it does is just irritate players. Players need to stop being so quick to call harassment when they are told in nicer words that their playstyle is harming the group as a whole. And SE needs to stop developing current level 70 content (like what we got prior to 4.4) that coddles braindead play.

We'll probably get a parser the day people stop misusing the term casual as a blanket statement for bad players. There's more than a few casual raid groups out there and even some casual ultimate groups.

On on the flip side there more than a few hard core players out there that are just plain terrible.

The problem is SE is to afraid to tell anyone they failed and need to try harder. And that's in everything not just group content but solo as well. Rather than say try a bit harder you'll do it. It's here have so much echo you literally cannot lose this time.

[Vahlnir]

So he's technically allowing us to parse?

Then it should be allowed to create a PF and say "Hey you will be parsed" that will cut down on a lot of problems that community currently has. I get the whole "dont say anything" in the DF but premades should be able to talk about it. It'll also help ps4 players a bit. This whole situation is really weird, what's the point in having dps checks and not be able to parse? I've also never seen a community so against improving or being told "hey you're doing this wrong".

Something needs to be done, the fear-mongering needs to stop as well.

An official parser would do more harm than good because of how people are. I have nothing against the idea of a parser, but I know how people can be. And this is something that shouldn't happen officially. The game needs to do a better job at teaching people what they're doing wrong though, there's no doubt about that.

[OurMom]

An official parser would do more harm than good because of how people are. I have nothing against the idea of a parser, but I know how people can be. And this is something that shouldn't happen officially.

How would it do harm if it's only allowed to be talked about in a PF, which is basically a premade? At that point you're willingly agreeing to be parsed by joining that party (which doesn't equal harassment) and if you're not where you're at then people can mention something without getting banned. Or ps4 users can see where they're at without anyone getting banned, etc.

[Dualgunner]

An official parser would do more harm than good because of how people are. I have nothing against the idea of a parser, but I know how people can be. And this is something that shouldn't happen officially. The game needs to do a better job at teaching people what they're doing wrong though, there's no doubt about that.

"I know how people can be" will never not be an anecdote. I grant you that it's your opinion, and your anecdote can fuel your opinion; it's just not a very convincing argument.

[SenorPatty]

The devs can start by improving the dummies. Instead of just a time limit, how about an isolated room (similar to the inn) where players can see the damage and skills used in succession displayed, similar to fighting games. You could even make it so that they can "save" 3min sessions up to two slots where the player can be shown comparisons as to why they did better or worse in one session and the other.

Hall of Novice needs a continuity in the form of hall of the seasoned or intermediate. Explain things like a giant yellow cursor does not mean its a bomb radius waiting to happen (as one sprout explained hilariously to me when he ran away with it) and is actually a stack marker to share damage. Maybe even throw hints that savage/ex content cannot be done with "casual" gameplay and that it would be best if the sprout spoke to veteran raiders for extra advice (maybe even point to popular raid centric lodestone blogs). The hall should initiate exercise that highlight the main assets of a job the player entered with and stress their importance.

I know YoshiP has this belief that the community should teache one another all the nitty gritty about the game but it's not a realistic view and I feel like putting resources into not just this suggestion but any that requests improvements for halls and battle log transparency could go a long way.

[LeoLupinos]

Make a SSS dummy, rating your rotation from F to SSS, similar to Devil May Cry combo rating system.

Allow the dummy to show two scores, solo and group.

Solo = rating your solo rotation.
Group = rating your rotation based on current group synergy.

It surely would take some dev time, but it's needed. Let's start with that, and if it works fine we can put this for every boss.

Scores updates for every server tick.

I think this works fine for self improvement. If someone asks for screenshot your score, simply join other group or create yours. This feature is not guilty, the comunity is, and it's up to you to report that.