Old Zones and New Jobs

[kikix12]

Personally, I like leveling and learning the job while going along, but lets not kind ourselves here: most jobs are extremly boring at low levels and so is the content you can do to level.

You're still missing a very important thing. New jobs are supposed to be content for all players, but unless they start from level one, they are only for experienced ones. If they do not start at level 1, you cannot play them as a new player, period.

In different games you have to start a new character to play a new class. That's why it's obvious they will start from scratch. You also won't be able to have all the classes usually since the games tend to have limited character slots...that number less than the amount of classes available. No one complains about leveling a new character though, you know why?! Because they cannot take the new class for granted. They have no option but to buck up and start from scratch because it's illogical to make a new character at level higher than lvl1.

It's a simple matter, really. You are taking these classes for granted. You take advantage of the feature of having several classes on one character and want it to be custom-fit to your order. Because you don't have to do anything to get them anymore. You have your character leveled, your story finished up. You will have those classes as soon as they hit. The new players...won't. The will not be able to play them AT ALL until after they will be experienced. Until after they went through the MOST BORING and MOST DRAGGING part of the game. And unlike you...they will do all that without a nice, big boost of 200% to experience or Palace of the Dead at all. They'll have to drudge their way using a class they don't want, they don't care for at all...spending days or weeks depending on how much free time they have...so that you save that one or two days of grinding to get these classes up there with all those speed-up features you have unlocked, without the need to do any story.

That's hypocrisy on the developers side. They claim to be "defenders of the new players", what with the changes to Main Story roulette that HURTS majority of the community for a minority within minority of new players (many new players don't care bout cutscenes and many of those that do have no issues with watching them later/in the Inn) or with the change to cross-class that allowed people to ignore other classes. But at this, where they REALLY hurt players forcing them to spend many hours upon hours doing what they don't want just so that they could finally unlock the class they did want to play at. But then...they never managed to have the fun with that class up till then, they're suddenly thrown into high level content that they didn't yet do, unless they'll waste even more time going through all that they did with a class they didn't care for completely pointlessly.

[Magic-Mal]

Personally, I like leveling and learning the job while going along, but lets not kind ourselves here: most jobs are extremly boring at low levels and so is the content you can do to level. I have all jobs except for monk at level 70 and I enjoyed leveling all of them - however... FATE-grinds for those first 15 levels were never fun.

The level 30 from HW seemed like a good idea to me - level 50 in SB might be considered a bit much, granted.
But skipping the slug of the early levels with only 2 buttons to press? Yes, please! They're not fun, they're not intresting and I'm not learning a thing about the job!

Leveling is so ridiculously easy in this game that I have to say, it's 100% your fault if you restrict leveling to just FATEs, roulettes and PotD. You have:

Challenge Log
- 2 dungeon entries
- 2 guildhest entries
- 2 FATE entries
- 2 guildleve entries
- commendation entry

Open World Activities
- Guildleves at Lv5-Lv60
- FATEs
- Beast Tribes at Lv40-50, Lv50-60 and Lv60-70
- Centurio Hunts at Lv50-70 and likely to 80
- Sightseeing Log at Lv50-70(HW and SB give EXP)

Duties
- Dungeons on their own(Also Squadrons!)
- Leveling Roulette
- 50-70(?) Roulette
- Main Story Quest Roulette
- Alliance Raid Roulette
- Normal Raid Roulette
- Trial Roulette
- Guildhest Roulette
- First time Guildhest clear bonus
- PvP Roulette
- Frontline on it's own
- Feast
- Palace of The Dead/Heaven-On-High
- Hall of the Novice first time bonus

EXP Bonuses
- Armoury bonus
- Well-rested bonus
- Company action bonus(Up to 15%)
- Food bonus
- Brand New Ring Bonus
- Ala Mhigan Earring Bonus
- Friendship Circlet bonus
- WoL Helmet bonus
- Mentor/Mentee bonus
- Various MogStation items with bonus

So, if you have all that and cut it down to only FATE spam, dungeon spam, or PotD spam because you wanna be "super fast", yeah, that's 100% on you for ignoring 90% of options available to you and challenge log that give a ton of exp.

Oh and again, if you are tired of having 2 skills and leveling a job, do the right thing and buy a jump potion to skip all the way to 60 or 70. Don't try and take away the leveling experience from those who enjoy it while still keeping Jump Potions, that already makes them useless.

[Vidu]

So, if you have all that and cut it down to only FATE spam, dungeon spam, or PotD spam because you wanna be "super fast", yeah, that's 100% on you for ignoring 90% of options available to you and challenge log that give a ton of exp.

Oh and again, if you are tired of having 2 skills and leveling a job, do the right thing and buy a jump potion to skip all the way to 60 or 70. Don't try and take away the leveling experience from those who enjoy it while still keeping Jump Potions, that already makes them useless.

...you realised that I was talking about the boring part up to level 16 right? You know, the part where most duties are locked? The part where you are infact restricted to FATEs and PotD?
And that I said that starting at level 30 seems like a decent compromise to me because at level 30 you do have a lot of those options you mentioned - instead of being restricted to FATEs, PotD and if you wanna stretch it leves.

I'm not trying to take away the leveling experience thats actually intresting - I'm just glad that I dont have to do the 1-16-FATE-grind-with-chocobo ever again. Or did you seriously enjoyed THAT?

[Magic-Mal]

...you realised that I was talking about the boring part up to level 16 right? You know, the part where most duties are locked? The part where you are infact restricted to FATEs and PotD?
And that I said that starting at level 30 seems like a decent compromise to me because at level 30 you do have a lot of those options you mentioned - instead of being restricted to FATEs, PotD and if you wanna stretch it leves.

Yes. You have Guildleves starting at Lv5 that give enormous EXP, Guildhests at Lv10, and FATEs straight out of the gate. All 3 of those have challenge log entrees that give another giant chunk of exp each when complete.

I'm not trying to take away the leveling experience thats actually intresting - I'm just glad that I dont have to do the 1-16-FATE-grind-with-chocobo ever again. Or did you seriously enjoyed THAT?

Yep.