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    As I did bring up GD, I also have to point out, that it wasnt my intention to lead the conversation away from the OPs initial point about gender non-binary people and the options revolving around them.

    In terms of trans inclusionary or exclusionary, there is no argument (at the surface level) that this game is trans exclusionary on the simple basis that you can literally at character creation create any character you so do choose, and of those, you can self identify as a trans character should you choose. Meaning, If I wanted to, I could easily state that my character is FtM Trans. There is nothing in the game which would counter that point, notably because the game does identify people along sex. And the end goal of a trans person, broadly, is to be identified as the sex/gender they feel (male or female). So there is no contention in that regards, which is why discussion about trans issues in game is a bit moot largely (unless the issue then is that the game should outright state a character is trans, which [in my own opinion] is a political move and not in line with the values of many people in the trans community. That being they want to be the gender/sex they identify with, not be a nondescript other and be 'otherized')

    The OPs position was on gender identity, particularly non-binary identities, or gender identities that are not the norm (norm in this context referring to averages, and not a reflection of 'right' or 'wrong'). In this regard, there could be an argument the game does not have options for non-binary, however, the push back against the "non-binary options" position is based upon people not agreeing that non binary is a thing and that this is political/sociological.

    So yeah, if people want to discuss further, Id probably recommend getting back to topic on hand, which was Gender in regards to binary/non-binary, not necessarily Trans issues.
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    Last edited by Melichoir; 10-17-2018 at 01:06 AM.

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