Non-binary option for characters, please?

[Nirokun]

And as a trans person, you're still not immune to being intolerant of others.

It's a disorder if it disrupts your life. Problem is, you have other people artificially giving trans people a hard time, and then when they react to it (because who wouldn't react to being mistreated?), those other people are like "see, you're disordered!" and that... doesn't really count.

If it was a disorder for you and you fully accept that fact, great. You do not get to decide that for everyone else.

Being trans disrupts your life, boom, now it's a disorder. There are extra steps, extra legwork that needs to physically transition. That's a huge disruption. If you don't do these steps, crippling GID / GD. Again, huge disruption.

A disorder is a disorder if it's a disorder. Not if you casually "decide" it's a disorder for yourself, that's not how things work.

[Savagelf]

many gamers come to Video games to escape the political and really world drama we come here to not worried about SJW or such nonsense, football was escape for some but it was stole for them. to the original poster you know people will called it SJW then why did you post it, did you link this to your facebook page. look let say SE decide against your desire will you launch a campaign called them a bigot a homophobia and intolerant, will you point me out be a bigot and intolerant because I against it. will you tried to doxy me or Yoshi P if SE refuse to bow to your demand. the Japanese are more Anti SJW anyone. we have enough trouble with really life, Portland had riot "protest". is this another feather in your cap.

the problem is those who push this care less about those they tried defend it just tool for them, if you truly knew someone who was struggle with this you won't be push it and who had struggle with and has pass away for struggle for this

[kamenkuro]

I've done nothing of the sort. Also, not all trans people want or need "help", but this whole "they're all disordered" rhetoric sure sounds like it's trying to push it on them.





This thread is proof enough of that.

People with problems need help. You're saying "not all" but if they fall into that category they do. That's like saying not everyone that hordes doesn't need help.

Depends on who hears about it. Parents can even abuse their children if they're diagnosed as autistic, oftentimes under the guise of trying to help or 'cure' them.

Implying trans people need medical help beyond possible gender reassignment surgery...

You sound like you really just don't like the idea of doctors. Child abuse because of autism is far less frequent than the help they get because they are diagnosed. In fact the periods where it was diagnosed less are the periods where abused more. The thing is though, is that the only instance where a person doesn't need help is if they are fine with their issues and it isn't hurting them. If it's hurting them they need to be helped, and with suicide rates and depression statistics folks need all the help they can get.

[YukinoAmidala]

If it was a disorder for you and you fully accept that fact, great. You do not get to decide that for everyone else.

You are in complete denial if you honestly believe that having a mental disorder is a optional/voluntary thing. No one is trying to insult anyone by stating that it is a mental disorder, they are just stating that it is.

Also for the record it is ok to have a mental disorder, you need to relax.

[Fynlar]

Being trans disrupts your life, boom, now it's a disorder.

People with problems need help. You're saying "not all" but if they fall into that category they do. That's like saying not everyone that hordes doesn't need help.

Except it doesn't mean that for every trans person. For some, the only "problem" they have as a result of being trans is all the "normal" people insisting they have a problem.

Surprisingly enough, that doesn't count as a innate problem tied to their condition. It's just bigots being bigots, and wise guys thinking they're able to speak for the personal experiences of others when in reality they don't have a damn clue what's going on in someone else's head. Go figure.

A disorder is a disorder if it's a disorder. Not if you casually "decide" it's a disorder for yourself, that's not how things work.

That's actually exactly how the more ambiguous disorders work. If it doesn't disrupt order, it's pretty erroneous to call it a disorder. And in this case, it's up to the individual to decide if this is something that disorders their life.

This is exactly why GID got a rename in the DSM, because having a gender different from your sex doesn't cause disorder for everyone. Incidentally, asexuality (and other non-hetero sexual orientations in the past, such as homosexuality) is another sort of thing that used to fall under disorders in the DSM (such as HSDD) but have now been recognized as a legitimate orientation and not inherently a disorder.

Also for the record it is ok to have a mental disorder, you need to relax.

Never said it wasn't okay. What isn't okay is insisting someone has a disorder when they aren't suffering disorder. That's just victimizing them for no reason other than your need to feel superior over them.

[MoroMurasaki]

Being trans disrupts your life, boom, now it's a disorder. There are extra steps, extra legwork that needs to physically transition. That's a huge disruption. If you don't do these steps, crippling GID / GD. Again, huge disruption.

A disorder is a disorder if it's a disorder. Not if you casually "decide" it's a disorder for yourself, that's not how things work.

It's almost like they believe that dysphoria gets to identify itself as something? Like each person's dysphoria gets to decide whether it's a disorder on an individual basis or something... which, ironically, is kind of transphobic/problematic (god I hate that word but it fits here) because it implies there is choice involved with how someone feels their gender dysphoria which is a slippery slope towards backsliding into old, ineffective treatments for GID.

Also I just want to say for a 26 page thread on a potentially touchy subject I think people have been like startlingly accepting of actual (to borrow Nirokun's phrasing) "true blue" trans people. I was kind of worried we would get some psychos in here trying to disrespect actual trans people and for the most part that really hasn't been a thing.

Almost like gamers aren't intolerant neckbeards like some people wanted to imply...

Except it doesn't mean that for every trans person. For some, the only "problem" they have as a result of being trans is all the "normal" people insisting they have a problem.

If you are trying to lump the nonbinary people in with actual trans people who transition you're being really disrespectful to people who are actually trans. Transition is an amazingly difficult process that is expensive, dangerous and mentally taxing. It is not deciding to put on a dress one day or pants another or cut your hair short. Those people are not trans.

[kikix12]

Except it doesn't mean that for every trans person. For some, the only "problem" they have as a result of being trans is all the "normal" people insisting they have a problem.

Surprisingly enough, that doesn't count as a innate problem tied to their condition. It's just bigots being bigots, and wise guys thinking they're able to speak for the personal experiences of others when in reality they don't have a damn clue what's going on in someone else's head. Go figure.

So...There is a man that always assumed he, himself, was a woman. That's a trans person, right?!

Now, we have two possibilities. Them undergoing the sex change surgery and the accompanying therapy and whatever else is part of it (it depends on country and doesn't really matter much further in this post anyway) or them not undergoing it and accepting the fact that they have the opposite sex.

1) If they underwent surgery then the matter is actually clear. They WERE bothered by it. They life WAS negatively impacted. The surgery was their "cure" in much the same way as it is for physical ailments. The only difference here is that a physical change is for the sake of aiding the mental sphere of someones life. But you know what?!...That's not even unique. Women that undergo mastectomy sometimes fall prey to severe depression, loss of self-esteem etc. Their cure is a surgery that gives them back the breast or breasts that were previously cut. Well, a fake one, not the exact same. And their depression often completely disappears after that. And I'll have you know, depression is without a doubt considered a mental disorder in every part of the world by pretty much every doctor. The most common mental disorder in the world, in fact. So yes, surgery whose purpose is to make a person "feel good" is a proof of them having a mental issue before it.

2) If they live in a male body they have to deal with the consequences of that. They will have to use the toilet for men whenever they go to school, shopping centers etc. They will be spoken to by "mister", "sir" by everyone they didn't meet before (and apparently that is an issue, it is this threads very point). They will have to write they are male on any document that requires that information. They will not be allowed to take work that is reserved for women only (employers often prefer women for certain roles, like hostesses, but it's a must-have for actors that play women too, obviously). Even if the law somehow allows a person to be considered a woman despite being in a mans body thus allowing them to enter the womens toilets or signing documents as a woman, they still will not be allowed to undertake those jobs (since those usually are based on body, not documents) and they have to actually go through the process of that being accepted. It's an equivalent of a surgery.


So...No matter which way I look at it, a person that is trans have their life quality being negatively impacted at some point, whether or not they accept themselves. Even if they accept themselves and shrug at the consequences of that, they are likely to have moments when they will be more susceptible to that popping up. And if they don't?!...Um...Are they actually trans people then? I mean, if a person feels perfectly fine living in a mans body a mans life...can they really be trans, can they really consider themselves women, in the first place?!


In my opinion it seems like you are denying the trans people the consideration. You are blindly pushing this philosophy of yours without any real care into what it means for the people you'd like to think you "defend". This is part of the reason why feminists or other activists are so looked down upon. They often cause more harm than good to those they are "standing up for", all the while getting on the nerves of everyone else in the process.

[Sigma-Astra]

Never said it wasn't okay. What isn't okay is insisting someone has a disorder when they aren't suffering disorder. That's just victimizing them for no reason other than your need to feel superior over them.

I hope you're not the type of person that says depression isn't a mental disorder and that those people just need to think positive thoughts or something based on your stance regarding that people having a gender identity crisis isn't some kind of disorder either.

[Fynlar]

If you are trying to lump the nonbinary people in with actual trans people who transition you're being really disrespectful to people who are actually trans. Transition is an amazingly difficult process that is expensive, dangerous and mentally taxing.

Trans is trans and it both counts. If you want to limit your definition of trans to strictly mean transsexuals, go for it, but that doesn't mean the rest of the world has to follow your lead or acknowledge your limited viewpoint.

Being trans does not necessarily mean you must undergo bodily transition, either. That's crap, and not everyone can even be accepted for or afford it anyway. What you're proposing is just gatekeeping, and it's not even disguised well.

In my opinion it seems like you are denying the trans people the consideration. You are blindly pushing this philosophy of yours without any real care into what it means for the people you'd like to think you "defend".

Says the person who posted two long paragraphs right above that, pushing their "philosophy" on how they think every trans person must feel, when not every trans experience can be neatly summed up in two paragraphs.

I hope you're not the type of person that says depression isn't a mental disorder and that those people just need to think positive thoughts or something based on your stance regarding that people having a gender identity crisis isn't some kind of disorder either.

You're misrepresenting my stance pretty badly.

I said that trans people experience a disorder if they feel like their condition causes disorder in their life, because it is not the kind of thing someone from the outside can judge for them. For some, probably even most of them, it does. Still doesn't necessarily mean all of them.

[Caitlyn]

Are we talking about a "gender neutral"-option or disorders?

Well, its FFXIV. A imaginary fantasy world with magic, dragons, flying turtles, talking frogs and only two genders. I dont see the point where we need to put anything from our real world into the game.