Non-binary option for characters, please?

[Fynlar]

If you are trying to lump the nonbinary people in with actual trans people who transition you're being really disrespectful to people who are actually trans. Transition is an amazingly difficult process that is expensive, dangerous and mentally taxing.

Trans is trans and it both counts. If you want to limit your definition of trans to strictly mean transsexuals, go for it, but that doesn't mean the rest of the world has to follow your lead or acknowledge your limited viewpoint.

Being trans does not necessarily mean you must undergo bodily transition, either. That's crap, and not everyone can even be accepted for or afford it anyway. What you're proposing is just gatekeeping, and it's not even disguised well.

In my opinion it seems like you are denying the trans people the consideration. You are blindly pushing this philosophy of yours without any real care into what it means for the people you'd like to think you "defend".

Says the person who posted two long paragraphs right above that, pushing their "philosophy" on how they think every trans person must feel, when not every trans experience can be neatly summed up in two paragraphs.

I hope you're not the type of person that says depression isn't a mental disorder and that those people just need to think positive thoughts or something based on your stance regarding that people having a gender identity crisis isn't some kind of disorder either.

You're misrepresenting my stance pretty badly.

I said that trans people experience a disorder if they feel like their condition causes disorder in their life, because it is not the kind of thing someone from the outside can judge for them. For some, probably even most of them, it does. Still doesn't necessarily mean all of them.

[Caitlyn]

Are we talking about a "gender neutral"-option or disorders?

Well, its FFXIV. A imaginary fantasy world with magic, dragons, flying turtles, talking frogs and only two genders. I dont see the point where we need to put anything from our real world into the game.

[kikix12]

Says the person who posted two long paragraphs right above that, pushing their "philosophy" on how they think every trans person must feel, when not every trans experience can be neatly summed up in two paragraphs.

It's not philosophy. Everything I wrote is pure logic. I did show all sides of the coin.

People can only undergo surgeries for fun, to solve a problem or against their will. There is no fourth option much the same way as there is no option for a human to be born from an egg. Humans are born live after undergoing the entire process of evolution inside the womans womb. That's how the world works and there is no philosophy to that either.

If a person willingly underwent a sex-change surgery, there clearly was something they wanted changed. It's not up for debate. It's not guesswork. It's not a secret. If you don't want change then you do not cause change unless forced to do that (through social pressure, bribery, threats or whatever).

That change then could be for fun or to fix an inconsistency. If it was for fun, for example for a guy that wants to go to the womens changing rooms legally to satisfy himself, then the reason would not be to match his sex with his mental gender. It would be fun. That's not a trans person.
If it would be to match the biological and mental gender of a person, then it's a fix done because having them separate doesn't allow a person to live their life how they want. Otherwise they would not need it.


There is nothing up to debate in what I posted. I guess that's why you didn't even TRY to debate it. After all you didn't give a single argument to counter anything that I wrote, instead writing it off as "philosophy" and making excuses that I wrote what people have to feel, when there was nothing as such there.

I'm not really sure what even is the point of you posting here though. You don't want change, you don't want to explain yourself, you don't even try to defend anyone directly. You're just writing pointless stuff that is devoid of any substance. The only thing I can think of?! You're trolling. Seriously, this is probably the first time I ever considered someone "trolling"...but it's really the only possibility I can see. Because there's no way I can make heads or tails of what you wrote in this thread other than that.

[Sigma-Astra]

You're misrepresenting my stance pretty badly.

I said that trans people experience a disorder if they feel like their condition causes disorder in their life, because it is not the kind of thing someone from the outside can judge for them. For some, probably even most of them, it does. Still doesn't necessarily mean all of them.

Not really, I'm merely going by what you're throwing your stance as. Just because you don't see it as a medical disorder, does not mean that it isn't classified as one in the medical science and psychology field. It's an abnormal and unusual stance of the brain thinking in such a way that contrasts towards what has been scientifically and clinically proven as facts through decades of studies and human evolution. We can say that, yes, there are factually two genders and those that don't wish to be a part of either one have a mental abnormality.

However, that doesn't mean that those who don't view themselves as a male or female are abominations in any way, which is what you're painting others in thinking just because they don't agree with you.

I have a mild form of OCD and it is a mental disorder, it's not normal for people to have or experience that sort of line of thinking within their brains. However, that doesn't mean it's a terrible thing and that I'm some kind of victim or abomination for having a disorder.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that you have a problem or abnormal part of thinking within your brain. Nothing wrong at all.