Non-binary option for characters, please?

[Fynlar]

You're right, you don't get to decide. Scientific data is the deciding factor and it's been proven and medically documented as a Mental Disorder. You not wanting to admit it because you somehow think that everyone that agree's with it being a disorder is somehow equivalent to them looking down on someone or treating them differently that's suffering from it, does not change that indisputable fact that it is a Mental Disorder. No one is attacking trans people or looking down on them in this thread topic.

You're doing it right now by insisting that it must be a mental disorder, when again, you cannot make that call for everyone else. Nobody can.

The only reason that people would cling to this terminology is to have something to lord over trans people and make them feel like there's something wrong with their heads.

[kamenkuro]

You're doing it right now by insisting that it must be a mental disorder, when again, you cannot make that call for everyone else. Nobody can.

The only reason that people would cling to this terminology is to have something to lord over trans people and make them feel like there's something wrong with their heads.

Technically the decision to diagnose and classify mental disorders are on doctors and scientists. However, if someone shows the basic symptoms of a mental disorder it can be recognized by the common man. As that does help the person afflicted get help. That's why these things are public knowledge. For the most part none of this is in any way harmful. Your average person is more apathetic towards anything that doesn't immediately affect them. Even going as far as playing along even if they themselves don't adhere to that same belief. The idea that it's a harmful classification is wrong. That's like saying being labeled autistic is wrong. They have problems that doctors can help with and if they know what that problem is they can help fix it. What you're doing is denying people help.

[BillyKaplan]

Technically the decision to diagnose and classify mental disorders are on doctors and scientists.

Homosexuality and other sexual orientations were also labeled as mental illnesses and were illegal in many places. Those things change as people get over their bigotry.

The idea that it's a harmful classification is wrong. That's like saying being labeled autistic is wrong.

Depends on who hears about it. Parents can even abuse their children if they're diagnosed as autistic, oftentimes under the guise of trying to help or 'cure' them.

What you're doing is denying people help.

Implying trans people need medical help beyond possible gender reassignment surgery...

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Depends on who hears about it. Parents can even abuse their children if they're diagnosed as autistic, oftentimes under the guise of trying to help or 'cure' them.

So we should stop diagnosing and treating children, because their parents might try to abuse them for it. That's what you're pushing for...
It's it's totally the doctor's fault and not the parents, or anything.

Implying trans people need medical help beyond possible gender reassignment surgery...

You mean like the hormonal therapy that goes with the surgery and psychological counseling to make sure someone really wants to go through the process, not just having doubts and all necessary information that comes with the process.
Yup, totally not needed.

[BillyKaplan]

You mean like the hormonal therapy that goes with the surgery and psychological counseling to make sure someone really wants to go through the process, not just having doubts and all necessary information that comes with the process.
Yup, totally not needed.

I'll yield I got my foot in my mouth there. But usually when people with that person's attitude talk about getting trans people medical help, they mean things more along the lines of shock therapy.

[Savagelf]

So we should stop diagnosing and treating children, because their parents might try to abuse them for it. That's what you're pushing for...
It's it's totally the doctor's fault and not the parents, or anything.


You mean like the hormonal therapy that goes with the surgery and psychological counseling to make sure someone really wants to go through the process, not just having doubts and all necessary information that comes with the process.
Yup, totally not needed.

Hormonal therapy which can cause cancer, surgery that increase the chance for suicide by large increase, it seem the original poster saw as chance politicalize the forum. the issue is this part of really world isn't need.

[kamenkuro]

I've done nothing of the sort. Also, not all trans people want or need "help", but this whole "they're all disordered" rhetoric sure sounds like it's trying to push it on them.





This thread is proof enough of that.

People with problems need help. You're saying "not all" but if they fall into that category they do. That's like saying not everyone that hordes doesn't need help.

Depends on who hears about it. Parents can even abuse their children if they're diagnosed as autistic, oftentimes under the guise of trying to help or 'cure' them.

Implying trans people need medical help beyond possible gender reassignment surgery...

You sound like you really just don't like the idea of doctors. Child abuse because of autism is far less frequent than the help they get because they are diagnosed. In fact the periods where it was diagnosed less are the periods where abused more. The thing is though, is that the only instance where a person doesn't need help is if they are fine with their issues and it isn't hurting them. If it's hurting them they need to be helped, and with suicide rates and depression statistics folks need all the help they can get.

[Selova]

You're doing it right now by insisting that it must be a mental disorder, when again, you cannot make that call for everyone else. Nobody can.

The only reason that people would cling to this terminology is to have something to lord over trans people and make them feel like there's something wrong with their heads.

You have a pretty warped way of thinking. Me agreeing with the data that's been confirmed by scientists and doctors that It's a mental disorder does not mean I look down on people suffering from mental disorders, I can't even comprehend how you can even come to that conclusion. Feel free to keep generalizing entire groups of people because apparently you know exactly what everyone thinks that agree's with it being a disorder. I think there is something more telling about you since you completely derailed this topic into accusing people of insulting or looking down on trans people when that's not even what the topic was about. Not one person in this thread was saying negative things about trans people until you came along and made the claim that everyone that agree's with GD being a mental disorder is somehow the same thing as looking down on people that suffer from it. I think you should take a step back and look what why you have this frame of mind in the first place, It's not a healthy way of thinking.