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    I'm a guy that is eating using a spoon (in my language feminine) and a fork (in my language masculine) from a plate (masculine) placed on a table (masculine) while sitting on a chair (neutral) under the light of the lamp (feminine), drinking after the meal from a glass (feminine).

    Yeah, and all of that is ridiculous. Forks and spoons are just inanimate silverware; they don't have a gender.

    Trying to "gender" everything is precisely why boys are ridiculed for playing with dolls, girls are ridiculed for playing with toy cars, and what have you.

    Go to just about any dictionary or encyclopedia. Online or on paper. Usually the first definition of gender clearly defines is a differentiation between male or female. Nowadays the "often withing social/mental aspects" or something of that notion. OFTEN. You seriously need to study more if you think that gender cannot be used in any case that sex can be used.

    Any dictionary or encyclopedia or whatever nowadays that equates sex and gender is wrong, as they are not the same, despite often being confused. Every single one of them you can cite only just goes to show how rampant the misinformation is (which is a problem I've already readily admitted exists)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Any dictionary or encyclopedia or whatever nowadays that equates sex and gender is wrong, as they are not the same, despite often being confused. Every single one of them you can cite only just goes to show how rampant the misinformation is (which is a problem I've already readily admitted exists)
    ...Alright...Yeah. I'll take the door out, because the only response I can give here is not going to be substantial in any way.

    Eh...yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Yeah, and all of that is ridiculous. Forks and spoons are just inanimate silverware; they don't have a gender.

    Trying to "gender" everything is precisely why boys are ridiculed for playing with dolls, girls are ridiculed for playing with toy cars, and what have you.



    That's a very poor attitude to have about something completely harmless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Yeah, and all of that is ridiculous. Forks and spoons are just inanimate silverware; they don't have a gender.
    Did you just call his language ridiculous?...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Any dictionary or encyclopedia or whatever nowadays that equates sex and gender is wrong.
    "Could it be me that's wrong? No, no it's everyone else who is wrong."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    "Could it be me that's wrong? No, no it's everyone else who is wrong."
    Language is an ever evolving thing, so dictionaries are temporary by their very definition. It's also why you see hardcopy dictionaries and encyclopedias keep getting new releases instead of just the old ones being reprinted - those things change and evolve.

    And as someone whose native tongue is gendered to an extreme, yes, that sort of thing is ridiculous. Especially since languages tend to break their own rules more often than not when dealing with gendered words. "Oh if it ends in this string of letters, it's female, other than this collection of words, that are male". To this day I remember a test I took where I got one of those nonsense questions wrong but even the teacher missed it and I got full marks.

    The only good thing that comes out of it is watching the mortified looks on people's faces when I use the 'wrong' gendered words for myself. Some people are so fragile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    Language is an ever evolving thing, so dictionaries are temporary by their very definition.
    You know the problem with this logic here?!

    What I said is that you can use "gender" in any case you can use "sex", but it is not correct the other way around.

    Let's now consider who agrees with it, alright?

    Dictionaries/encyclopedias.
    Scientists.
    Biologists.
    Journalists.
    Linguists.
    Writers.
    Game developers.
    Doctors.
    In general, entertainment industry.
    Politicians.
    General public.
    Some of the minorities.

    Who does NOT agree with it?!
    Small part of some of the minorities.
    Some supporters of the certain minorities.


    Now then, do you see the problem?! The language is ever-evolving, yes. However, the list is vastly larger for the supporters of what I said against the ones contesting it.

    I'm not saying that what that person is saying won't be correct in a decade, two, five. I'm saying that it is NOT CORRECT NOW. It is not. This word did NOT yet evolve into what that poster is claiming to be correct. It may be in the process of doing that (as I acknowledged, and dictionaries did as well), but that process is not yet at a stage where what I said stopped being correct.
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