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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post

    I'm going to assume by this logic, you're also against them working on the higher tier savage/ultimate fights to the game, too.
    No, as data show that there are enough people interested in savage and ultimate fights. Also, ultimate in particular didn't require many resources since it's all reused assets and mechanics.
    Finally, that <1% is more like <0,01%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    For some other countries, particularly a number of European ones from the looks of it, everything is so ridiculously and inappropriately "gendered" in their languages that I'm sure that also has to be an overall impediment to understanding what gender actually is, too.
    There's nothing inappropriate about it. Quite the opposite. Thanks to that the language serves its function a lot better. You're just adding some social politics into language that is absolutely neutral in its function (even if it did form in social politics environment, which the dominance of male words and calling "negative" words largely female, like "death").

    In reality, it is EXTREMELY hard to have any difficulty in these "inappropriately gendered" languages to understand who you are talking about because it's hard to MAKE it ambiguous even if you want to...without it being suspicious or awkward-sounding. In comparison you could write an entire book in English without people ever finding out whether characters are female or male if you use unisex names or don't use names at all. That's not really in the European languages and you don't have to do anything special as an author. Sucks for mystery, but is a boon in just about every other kind of communication.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    While errors do still happen, and while it may be that the language behind the two terms was different in the past, the terms aren't wholly interchangeable anymore.
    You can use "gender" in every case you would use "sex". You cannot use "sex" in some of the cases you would use "gender". This is how it always was and it did not change at all nowadays.

    EDIT: On a different note...talking about "gender" and "sex" and whether they are interchangeable or not and blaming other languages traits for the meaning being muddled up is ignorant. Those other languages may not even distinguish between the words. In Polish there is only one word, "płeć". There is no "gender" or "sex". A separate word specifically for describing the biological state of a living being. For grammar gender there is "rodzaj" ("type" in English) and for the modern uses of the word "gender", we just use...gender. As in, the English word, without any change or whatsoever, as a borrowed word. Like Pizza.
    So if you want to blame a language for "gender" issues...blame English./EDIT

    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
    Doesnt even compare to the massive amount of text and the 4 languages this game supports.
    I think it supports more languages, actually. The "global" servers offer four languages, but there are region-locked versions it seems (going by Korean Questions and Answers), which need to be translated into as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Lot of people in this thread don't understand the difference between sex and gender. Which is totally understandable

    I went for the longest time thinking they were the same thing, and it doesn't help when surveys, registration forms, even the very video games that we're commenting about, will regularly use the two terms interchangeably. For some other countries, particularly a number of European ones from the looks of it, everything is so ridiculously and inappropriately "gendered" in their languages that I'm sure that also has to be an overall impediment to understanding what gender actually is, too.

    While errors do still happen, and while it may be that the language behind the two terms was different in the past, the terms aren't wholly interchangeable anymore
    Sorry, my language has only 1 word for sex and gender so for me it is the same and i don't understand the disscusions about it.
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    Sorry, my language has only 1 word for sex and gender so for me it is the same and i don't understand the disscusions about it.

    That is part of why I said it is completely understandable that people would be ignorant of the difference. But no matter what language/culture you're dealing with, trans people exist somewhere, and if a language cannot account for these people it kind of speaks toward the language's primitiveness and its refusal to evolve and get with the times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    That is part of why I said it is completely understandable that people would be ignorant of the difference. But no matter what language/culture you're dealing with, trans people exist somewhere, and if a language cannot account for these people it kind of speaks toward the language's primitiveness and its refusal to evolve and get with the times.
    I think we have also a different sight on the meaning of trans people because trans is a psychological dissorder when the mind not properly recognising the biological sex of the body.
    Trans is not a man who wants to act like a woman it is man who wants to be a woman and vice versa.
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    I think we have also a different sight on the meaning of trans people because trans is a psychological problem with the mind
    ... Yeah, I think we do have quite a different point of view on that, too. Considering you just dropped an insult on my spouse and loads of people like them.

    If they have a problem, it's intolerant people insisting they have a problem.

    Trans is not a man who wants to act like a woman it is man who wants to be a woman and vice versa.

    Trans isn't even so cut and dry as "I want to be the opposite sex", but frankly, I don't feel like attempting to be your educator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    And yes, with some languages the rampant gendering of everything is done to a ridiculous and inappropriate degree.
    What is "inappriopriate" in it?! Go on, explain. Just don't bother with the "it doesn't account for other genders" and all that. Humanity existed for tens, hundredths of thousands of years without "other genders" having any issues with any of it or even without being defined. The only problems they had were related to their interests being potentially seen as disease and could lead to public execution...but those are two entirely different problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    There is. You need look no farther than gender roles and stereotypes to know this.
    Those have nothing to do with the language. A car can be masculine in one language, feminine in another. But it's going to be considered a "boys" toy in most of the world. Why?! Because boys DO tend to be interested in cars more often than not while girls DO tend to not be interested in cars more often than not. The problem arises from people thinking that "tend to be" must mean that everyone that is not is a problem. There is no problem with girls being interested in cars and boys being interested in dolls (that are not "action figures"). But that does not change anything language-wise. A doll is a doll, a car is a car, regardless of whether they are considered "male" or "female". I'm a guy that is eating using a spoon (in my language feminine) and a fork (in my language masculine) from a plate (masculine) placed on a table (masculine) while sitting on a chair (neutral) under the light of the lamp (feminine), drinking after the meal from a glass (feminine).

    Where is the problem you speak of? Am I supposed to never use spoons, chairs, lamps or glasses because I'm a guy? Huh?! Seriously, creating such artificial problems is the real problem of the society nowadays.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    No, you can't, as they are not the same.
    Go to just about any dictionary or encyclopedia. Online or on paper. Usually the first definition of gender clearly defines it as a differentiation between male or female. Nowadays the "often withing social/mental aspects" or something of that notion. OFTEN. You seriously need to study more if you think that gender cannot be used in any case that sex can be used.

    I'll even jump-start it for you.
    Oxford.
    Wikipedia.
    Collins (the third definition).
    Merriam.
    Cambridge.
    Urban.

    Seriously. Denying that fact is equivalent to denying that you are a human and that trees are made from wood. Seriously, there should be a limit to ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    But no matter what language/culture you're dealing with, trans people exist somewhere, and if a language cannot account for these people it kind of speaks toward the language's primitiveness and its refusal to evolve and get with the times.
    Our languages can account for these people. Our languages just don't compound tons upon tons of irrelevant stuff into a single word to confuse people. You can use "płeć społeczna" or "płeć biologiczna" (social sex and biological sex respectively), so that we are free from such issues.

    Again, languages primary purpose is communication. If you fail to communicate your message because of muddled up meaning of the words then the language fails. Compounding tons of meanings (especially if they are similar but not the same) into a single word is a horrible thing that absolutely RUINS language.
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    I'm a guy that is eating using a spoon (in my language feminine) and a fork (in my language masculine) from a plate (masculine) placed on a table (masculine) while sitting on a chair (neutral) under the light of the lamp (feminine), drinking after the meal from a glass (feminine).

    Yeah, and all of that is ridiculous. Forks and spoons are just inanimate silverware; they don't have a gender.

    Trying to "gender" everything is precisely why boys are ridiculed for playing with dolls, girls are ridiculed for playing with toy cars, and what have you.

    Go to just about any dictionary or encyclopedia. Online or on paper. Usually the first definition of gender clearly defines is a differentiation between male or female. Nowadays the "often withing social/mental aspects" or something of that notion. OFTEN. You seriously need to study more if you think that gender cannot be used in any case that sex can be used.

    Any dictionary or encyclopedia or whatever nowadays that equates sex and gender is wrong, as they are not the same, despite often being confused. Every single one of them you can cite only just goes to show how rampant the misinformation is (which is a problem I've already readily admitted exists)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Any dictionary or encyclopedia or whatever nowadays that equates sex and gender is wrong, as they are not the same, despite often being confused. Every single one of them you can cite only just goes to show how rampant the misinformation is (which is a problem I've already readily admitted exists)
    ...Alright...Yeah. I'll take the door out, because the only response I can give here is not going to be substantial in any way.

    Eh...yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Yeah, and all of that is ridiculous. Forks and spoons are just inanimate silverware; they don't have a gender.

    Trying to "gender" everything is precisely why boys are ridiculed for playing with dolls, girls are ridiculed for playing with toy cars, and what have you.



    That's a very poor attitude to have about something completely harmless.
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