Non-binary option for characters, please?

[thrashette]

I don't know, I feel like people are overcomplicating the issue. You may have your beliefs that you hold dearly, but this game, at the end of the day, is a fantasy role playing game. People may create characters in their image, or ones they relate to, or something they like the look of, or maybe something just completely random or silly. Giving players an option of how they want their character referred to in dialogue isn't really a political statement or propaganda. I'm a cis female, but maybe I want to create a nonbinary character to roleplay as in the game. And no, I don't mean Balmung activities, but just basic roleplay: playing the game, going through the story, feeling immersed. If my character was constantly referred to with an incorrect pronoun, that would be distracting. Hell, it would be distracting if the character I'm playing now was constantly called a "he." It would be detrimental to my immersion. So no matter what stance you have on the issue, I think this would be a simple thing to implement that would accommodate more players, not just those who practice gender nonconformity (not sure if this is the correct term, but you know what I mean) in real life, but also those who wish to play such a character in a fantasy setting. And given the intimate and personal experience that quests are, well... if you don't like it, don't hack the person's account and play their story, I guess?

[redcurrant18]

"Get woke go broke" sjw politics do not sell video games. Including it seems to automatically make games flop. Please don't wish that on FFXIV. The vast majority of players have a massive list of other issues that need fixing as opposed to this pronoun nonsense. This is obvious when you look at the amount of likes the kinds of posts here. If this bothers you so much and you still want to roleplay, the Sims 4 lets you create genders and dress them up as you wish. Consider playing that game instead of trying to plague FFXIV with these divisive problems.

[Nirokun]

... Yeah, I think we do have quite a different point of view on that, too. Considering you just dropped an insult on my spouse and loads of people like them.

If they have a problem, it's intolerant people insisting they have a problem.

As a trans-woman (post-everything, married, successful, happy), it is a mental disorder. The stigma of mental disorder is a completely separate issue, but GID /GD is still a mental disorder.

The tricky thing is that the mental disorder is fixed by changing the unaffected body instead of the mental disorder. This is (I'm sure you know) because the gender in true-blue trans people is concrete. It's set, it is what it is. You cannot alter it, so after a long history of failures in trying to alter the mind, science has found that altering the body vastly improves quality of life, down to basic survival. The trans person, experiencing crippling GID / GD, the dysphoria will improve with cross-sex hormones.

That being said, the whole trans-person thing is still difficult physically, and the mental baggage of a life paused before transition is still bad, but it gets better after the mental disorder is appropriately treated.

[Naraku_Diabolos]

I don't quite understand what this whole thread is about. There are only two genders in our known world, besides plants, animals (like the garden pest called a "scale insect," they are all female but can reproduce to make more offspring, but all future offspring are female as a result), bacteria etc. that can be asexual. Humans cannot be genderless; there's no scientific proof that a genderless human can occur. You need a male and female to procreate to make another human, so no Adam and Steve or Eve and Ava cannot cut it. Only people who think there are more than 2 genders really have mental problems, and they need to take biology classes etc.


As mentioned, this game already has some form of gender neutrality in the game when the main characters address you as the Warrior of Light. Plus I have a feeling that the OP is just trolling really hard. We can never take the Internet seriously here.

[GeraldineKerla]

I don't quite understand what this whole thread is about. There are only two genders in our known world, besides plants, animals (like the garden pest called a "scale insect," they are all female but can reproduce to make more offspring, but all future offspring are female as a result), bacteria etc. that can be asexual. Humans cannot be genderless; there's no scientific proof that a genderless human can occur. You need a male and female to procreate to make another human, so no Adam and Steve or Eve and Ava cannot cut it. Only people who think there are more than 2 genders really have mental problems, and they need to take biology classes etc.


As mentioned, this game already has some form of gender neutrality in the game when the main characters address you as the Warrior of Light. Plus I have a feeling that the OP is just trolling really hard. We can never take the Internet seriously here.

Definitions of gender mention that gender is discussed typically when referring to "social and cultural differences rather than biological ones". You're thinking of the two sexes, which is different than gender.

I don't think this is really a necessary change because of the small crowd that this actually will appeal to, and it definitely won't happen in a western MMO, let alone a Japanese MMO, and I agree that its probably too late to really implement it with the amount of work it would take for the few players it would affect, but its far from an unreasonable request from a general standpoint.

[Twizzlers]

How about they spend their resources on things that actually matter in the game instead of things that make people feel better about themselves?

literally /thread

I'd rather have actual textures for things (cough cough Hien) than make a few hundred special snowflakes feel special

[Fynlar]

As a trans-woman (post-everything, married, successful, happy), it is a mental disorder. The stigma of mental disorder is a completely separate issue, but GID /GD is still a mental disorder.

And as a trans person, you're still not immune to being intolerant of others.

It's a disorder if it disrupts your life. Problem is, you have other people artificially giving trans people a hard time, and then when they react to it (because who wouldn't react to being mistreated?), those other people are like "see, you're disordered!" and that... doesn't really count.

If it was a disorder for you and you fully accept that fact, great. You do not get to decide that for everyone else.

[Selova]

And as a trans person, you're still not immune to being intolerant of others.

It's a disorder if it disrupts your life. Problem is, you have other people artificially giving trans people a hard time, and then when they react to it (because who wouldn't react to being mistreated?), those other people are like "see, you're disordered!" and that... doesn't really count.

If it was a disorder for you and you fully accept that fact, great. You do not get to decide that for everyone else.

You're right, you don't get to decide. Scientific data is the deciding factor and it's been proven and medically documented as a Mental Disorder. You not wanting to admit it because you somehow think that everyone that agree's with it being a disorder is somehow equivalent to them looking down on someone or treating them differently that's suffering from it, does not change that indisputable fact that it is a Mental Disorder. No one is attacking trans people or looking down on them in this thread topic. I think you need to relax.

[Fynlar]

You're right, you don't get to decide. Scientific data is the deciding factor and it's been proven and medically documented as a Mental Disorder. You not wanting to admit it because you somehow think that everyone that agree's with it being a disorder is somehow equivalent to them looking down on someone or treating them differently that's suffering from it, does not change that indisputable fact that it is a Mental Disorder. No one is attacking trans people or looking down on them in this thread topic.

You're doing it right now by insisting that it must be a mental disorder, when again, you cannot make that call for everyone else. Nobody can.

The only reason that people would cling to this terminology is to have something to lord over trans people and make them feel like there's something wrong with their heads.

[Mirch]

yes please, this game is assuming our char gender, unacceptable