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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Sorry, that isn't how correct/incorrect works. Majority of the class getting the wrong answer doesn't suddenly make them right. Nice try though.
    No, it's not how correct/incorrect works. But that IS how evolution works.

    The definitions used by majority are the correct ones while the ones used by minority is at best a dialect, at worst an idiolect.

    It seems you first need to learn what "language" is before you can actually discuss what use of a word is correct and what is not. Though language is not something determined by science, it IS a science in and off itself.
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    The way you claim it works is. Post your proof, since it's your claim btw.
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+the+dif...sex+and+gender

    Educating you of something basic isn't my job. Do it yourself, or don't.

    And I'm not saying that most people make their language,
    If you're saying that about a language, you're saying that about the language speakers, because they're the ones who make it.

    Pretty sure that is, indeed, what you said. Or are you just literally bending the rules of language while you're posting? That's some Forsaken-level stuff right there.

    6000+ years of recorded human history prove it right.
    Not really, no. Most of that history would have also told us the Earth was flat. It isn't indicative of anything really.

    Not going to change because a couple of groups on Tumblr decided they wanted it to change.
    It's funny that you're citing 6000 years of history as a source for your claim, yet apparently you think this is something that originated from Tumblr.


    If everyone is getting it wrong, the answer is changed so the majority are right, check out the current definition of 'literally' for a recent example.

    Literally still has the same meaning. All it's gained is an incorrect usage common enough to the point of being memetic, much like things like "I could care less" or "for all intensive purposes", which are also still incorrect no matter how common they have become to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+the+dif...sex+and+gender

    Educating you of something basic isn't my job. Do it yourself, or don't.
    If you can't back up your claims, then don't make them. I don't have to prove your claims for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    If you're saying that about a language, you're saying that about the language speakers, because they're the ones who make it.

    Pretty sure that is, indeed, what you said. Or are you just literally bending the rules of language while you're posting? That's some Forsaken-level stuff right there.
    No, I did. You're the one who claimed I said that each person makes their language:

    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    most people do not "make" their language
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    Not really, no. Most of that history would have also told us the Earth was flat. It isn't indicative of anything really.
    Which was overturned by scientific observation and experimentation. Where the scientific proof that sex =/= gender?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    It's funny that you're citing 6000 years of history as a source for your claim, yet apparently you think this is something that originated from Tumblr.
    It's funny that you either have reading comprehension issues, or are trying to ineffectively twist my post. 6000+ years of human history say sex =/= gender. Tumblr says you can be a otherkin, like furniturekin
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    I'm all for more options (and I truly don't care as far as this topic goes), if it were to happen, whatever, but...it is highly unnecessary. Seriously. I have a couple friends (family or otherwise) that are part of the LGBT community, and I respect everyone's right for self expression. I just don't see this as necessary at all. What would it accomplish exactly? There are far more pressing matters as far as this game is concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Literally still has the same meaning.
    It also has an additional meaning.
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    If you can't back up your claims, then don't make them. I don't have to prove your claims for you.
    I'll keep saying what I want, thanks. You don't have to prove them, because 1) it's already been done, and 2) I don't care if you remain ignorant

    Where the scientific proof that sex =/= gender?
    Just about every trans person in existence serves as proof, and there are a lot of them. If you wanna go be a bigot to their faces, hell, I won't stop ya. Karma has a way of paying back its debts in the end.

    It's funny that you either have reading comprehension issues, or are trying to ineffectively twist my post. 6000+ years of human history say sex =/= gender. Tumblr says you can be a otherkin, like furniturekin
    It's good to know that Tumblr is apparently where all your research on the matter comes from. No wonder you think it's a joke.

    Your 6000 years of human history don't really account for squat. We're in the 21th century now; try joining us.


    It also has an additional meaning.

    Nope. Bunch of people using it wrong does not mean it's gained another meaning; it means it's gained a bunch of idiots who literally cannot use literally correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    I'll keep saying what I want, thanks. You don't have to prove them, because 1) it's already been done, and 2) I don't care if you remain ignorant
    Just saying, your arguments don't hold water and only speak from authority when you say I don't have to give anything to back up my claims, it is what it is and you just take what I say as right. You don't win arguments this way and it just makes you look bad. Just some Debating 101.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    I'll keep saying what I want, thanks. You don't have to prove them, because 1) it's already been done, and 2) I don't care if you remain ignorant

    Just about every trans person in existence serves as proof, and there are a lot of them. If you wanna go be a bigot to their faces, hell, I won't stop ya. Karma has a way of paying back its debts in the end.

    It's good to know that Tumblr is apparently where all your research on the matter comes from. No wonder you think it's a joke.

    Your 6000 years of human history don't really account for squat. We're in the 21th century now; try joining us.





    Nope. Bunch of people using it wrong does not mean it's gained another meaning; it means it's gained a bunch of idiots who literally cannot use literally correctly.
    If you aren't here to try to persuade people to see things from your perspective why are you posting in this thread? You don't seem to be enjoying yourself.

    I'm personally rather opposed to a lot of this far left ideology but I know several people who prefer they pronouns and they approached me respectfully about using them so I do. I slip up sometimes and apologize, in my head they are all still clearly women, but I attempt to humor them because it's polite.

    You literally can't even garner that level of support with this kind of combative, argumentative posting. Chill out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Nope. Bunch of people using it wrong does not mean it's gained another meaning; it means it's gained a bunch of idiots who literally cannot use literally correctly.
    Yep, it now has two meanings, it happens, words change and evolve. etc. etc.

    Like what happened to gender, how it used to be interchangeable with sex, but now is mostly used to refer to cultural and social differences rather than biological ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post

    It doesn't matter what way you spin it, here. It is not correct because they are not the same things.
    According to the Merriam's dictionary and a thesaurus they basically are.

    In the dictionary "gender" means "the state of being male or female" and under synonyms "sex" is the first one listed. The first synonymy for "sex" is "gender" not all that surprising right? Just in case anyone is confused "synonym" means "the same or nearly the same meaning". A thesaurus and the Merriam's dictionary are both extremely credible sources for definitions for the American English language.

    Tl;dr "sex" and "gender" are interchangeable.

    just about every trans person in existence serves as proof
    That's not credible (or proof at all) proof that sex and gender are completely different.
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