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    Well, I could never figure out any Lalafel gender, it's a pretty non-binary race.
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    No thanks. just keep it as is.
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    I sat here at my keyboard thinking how best to word a response to what is admittedly a complicated and very delicate issue. I literally spent thirty minutes rewriting this post over and over. Yet, ultimately, I feel like only one thing needs to be said. The smug wording of the original post makes it crystal clear that the intention here isn't to have an in-depth discussion in good faith.
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    you know i saw this thread and after reading this, i have to say i feel kind of bad for the Forum Mods who watch these threads, if one of you guys are here, do you guys just blank it out or get popcorn and read the comments,

    to go slightly back on topic,

    if this isn't a bait topic: the language used is for quick and easy contextual referencing to your character based on the sex chosen, which is translated from japanese and into two other languages, while 'they' could be used in a singular sense, ironically if you wanted a gender neutral term based on the time era of the words chosen (since they use alarum, goal and larboard which are archaic wordings ), you would be called "He" the "generic He" is a older gender neutral team, since He refers to the proper connotation of the word "man" which means "human" so if you wanted a gender neutral term ironically play as a male character then "he" would be gender neutral for the time period o3o
    other examples of "generic he" can also be seen in referring to humanity as 'Mankind' or saying something is a massive step for the age of 'man' neither are masculine and are neutral to refer to the whole of humanity.

    if this is a bait topic: why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DracotheDragon View Post
    you know i saw this thread and after reading this, i have to say i feel kind of bad for the Forum Mods who watch these threads, if one of you guys are here, do you guys just blank it out or get popcorn and read the comments,

    to go slightly back on topic,

    if this isn't a bait topic: the language used is for quick and easy contextual referencing to your character based on the sex chosen, which is translated from japanese and into two other languages, while 'they' could be used in a singular sense, ironically if you wanted a gender neutral term based on the time era of the words chosen (since they use alarum, goal and larboard which are archaic wordings ), you would be called "He" the "generic He" is a older gender neutral team, since He refers to the proper connotation of the word "man" which means "human" so if you wanted a gender neutral term ironically play as a male character then "he" would be gender neutral for the time period o3o
    other examples of "generic he" can also be seen in referring to humanity as 'Mankind' or saying something is a massive step for the age of 'man' neither are masculine and are neutral to refer to the whole of humanity.

    if this is a bait topic: why?
    Rumor has it that @ff14forums_txt is run by a mod. I can't remember where I read that, though.
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    I am also offended that there is no Apache attack helicopter option at the character select screen.
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    Oh.... no....


    You see, when it comes to things like cross dressing or gay marriage, those things are choices, and I would go on record saying that most gamer's and even just people who actively play XIV and not many other games, would respect others choices about their own lives.

    When you decide to put in something such as a non-binary gender, what you're providing isn't a choice, but a statement. It's a statement that says "my version of reality is correct and yours is not".

    It's one thing to have in a fictional universe as a matter of creative effort, and another thing entirely to have as a matter of political recognition or real world acknowledgement. I can think of one story in particular in which humanoid beings are capable of fluctuating between male and female as they wish with scientific principal to back it up, and that was acceptable as it had no reliance on the real world to make it such a plot point.

    I play as myself in XIV. I named my character after myself and modeled it after myself. I can understand the desire to do so, while I doubt you've actually put effort into doing the same I recognize the lack of satisfaction in never being able to do such a thing. I play many games, and in most of those games I am unable to model or name my character, and at those times I take the perspective of the character that I'm playing rather than myself. I would suggest that you do the same in this regard. Playing as yourself is not the ultimate goal of video games, experiencing what you can't experience in the real world is much closer to the ultimate goal.

    I share the same sentiment as some others here as well. Frankly put I'm sick of politics as a whole. I spent way too much of my time on it within the last couple of years, that at this moment in my life I want to escape from it, and FFXIV is a good way for me to do that. I'd really rather FFXIV not be infected with politics like that. The "option" you present for us is the exact opposite of an option for players such as myself, which I assume constitutes many more people than what would accommodate for the "choice" that you provide.
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    Last edited by Freyt; 10-15-2018 at 11:45 AM.

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    No. This thread is garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xaventh View Post
    No. This thread is garbage.
    I agree actually.
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    For the record, as a spouse of someone that's at least partially off the binary + personally part of an oft misunderstood minority myself (asexuality), I totally get genderless/nonbinary being a legitimate thing.



    All I'm saying is that it's still not the job of this game or pretty much any other game to cater to those minorities. Trans/NB/etc stuff may simply not be a thing in the world of this game, and nor does it have to be, particularly when it doesn't fit any particular critical narrative of the story. It's sort of how I will never expect, nor do I feel there should be, any openly asexual-presenting character in the game. There just isn't any reason for there to be one, and I'd rather they not just shoehorn one in there for the sake of "diversity!" like some other games, TV shows, movies, etc. have taken to doing lately (sometimes, it feels like, at the cost of actual storytelling ability)
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