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    ed3891's Avatar
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    Zuzeh Diqna
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    Exodus
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ValentineSnow View Post
    So I was just in a run with a WAR OT and he was catching up on enmity like crazy, I could barely keep hate off him, thought he must be doing crazy high damage or something.

    But I started watching him and noticed, he was using butcher's block as OT.... I told him to stop and he complained that it's his highest potency combo, at which point naturally the party jumped on him telling him to use storm's path.

    But it's stupid for BB to be WARs highest potency combo in the first place. It just confuses WARs into thinking it's their dps combo (like the above), when it's not, they should never be using it any more than DRK or even PLD.

    So please SE, lower BB potency and raise the enmity modifier so the enmity generation is the same but the damage is the weakest of the combos, in line with the other tanks. Stop the madness.
    So because someone else is bad at playing WAR - and by virtue of that person playing badly, you had a poor experience in a single fight - means that the job itself needs to be nerfed, to the detriment of the broader player base?

    You don't get outdoors much, do you?
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    ValentineSnow's Avatar
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    Shiroe Sora
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    Sargatanas
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    Culinarian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ed3891 View Post
    So because someone else is bad at playing WAR - and by virtue of that person playing badly, you had a poor experience in a single fight - means that the job itself needs to be nerfed, to the detriment of the broader player base?

    You don't get outdoors much, do you?
    You don't think much do you?

    If it was one person in a single fight I wouldn't be complaining. I've come across this more often than I should in content as far into the game as alphascape savage.

    People are playing the job badly because the descriptions on the abilities are misleading. People see butcher's block as the highest potency combo so they think it's the strongest. If people don't care to crunch the numbers beyond adding up potencies and aren't even considering the beast gauge it's no surprise some of them get tricked into thinking it's a damage combo. As has been said it's a QoL change, if BB was equal potency to the other 2 combos then people would see it's a choice between enmity, gauge and debuff and it would become clear cut which combo to use.

    Also, it wouldn't be to the detriment of the broader playerbase, because it is an ENMITY COMBO, it is not used for damage, it doesn't need the damage, the broader playerbase doesn't even use BB outside of pulling the boss and it helps those players If other warriors aren't using BB as an OT because they misunderstood the skill.
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    Driskus Blackstone
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ValentineSnow View Post
    If it was one person in a single fight I wouldn't be complaining. I've come across this more often than I should in content as far into the game as alphascape savage.
    I don't see the need for changing anything. If they'd actually read the whole tooltip they'd probably realize what they should be doing. If they're all the way to Alphascape Savage without even figuring that out, I highly doubt changing the potency is going to accomplish much.

    As far as hunts go, I could see multiple tanks accidentally having tank stance up and fighting each other for aggro, considering there's usually more players fighting that one mob than the game can even render. I also doubt someone's going to click on every single other tank just to see if one is already in tank stance. Its not like it matters much since those mobs die so fast anyway.
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    Shao Kuraisenshi
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Driskus View Post
    I don't see the need for changing anything. If they'd actually read the whole tooltip they'd probably realize what they should be doing. If they're all the way to Alphascape Savage without even figuring that out, I highly doubt changing the potency is going to accomplish much.

    As far as hunts go, I could see multiple tanks accidentally having tank stance up and fighting each other for aggro, considering there's usually more players fighting that one mob than the game can even render. I also doubt someone's going to click on every single other tank just to see if one is already in tank stance. Its not like it matters much since those mobs die so fast anyway.
    butcher's block spam has been a problem since heavensward i really see this kind of WARs pretty ofthen this last 3 years just bcs ppl read the tooltip and fail to understand more gauge means more fell cleaves with are more dps that spaming butcher's block, and the combo was a direct dps gain on heavens so im not surprise this ppl drag this belief from that, nerfing butcher will remove enterily this belief and prevent a lot of missunderstand of what to do with the most easy job of the game.
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    Last edited by shao32; 10-21-2018 at 02:44 AM.

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    Player Aquaslash's Avatar
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    Zinnia Higana
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    Cactuar
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    Samurai Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ed3891 View Post
    , to the detriment of the broader player base?

    You don't get outdoors much, do you?
    Bruh, what detriment? Literally NOTHING is adversely impacted by nerfing BB. If anything, they can completely disallow it outside of Defiance and it'll fix everything except leveling dungeons, but those need an overhaul anyway. There is nothing to lose from such a change and everything to gain.

    So what if newcomers need some hand holding? The game needs a proper advanced tutorial anyway
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