Please nerf butcher's block potency

[ValentineSnow]

So I was just in a run with a WAR OT and he was catching up on enmity like crazy, I could barely keep hate off him, thought he must be doing crazy high damage or something.

But I started watching him and noticed, he was using butcher's block as OT.... I told him to stop and he complained that it's his highest potency combo, at which point naturally the party jumped on him telling him to use storm's path.

But it's stupid for BB to be WARs highest potency combo in the first place. It just confuses WARs into thinking it's their dps combo (like the above), when it's not, they should never be using it any more than DRK or even PLD.

So please SE, lower BB potency and raise the enmity modifier so the enmity generation is the same but the damage is the weakest of the combos, in line with the other tanks. Stop the madness.

[vigioX-Sun]

Butcher dmg is alrdy lower then path an storm.

[vigioX-Sun]

The lost of 10 gauge is a dps lost.

[Kurando]

Well in that case just let the OT take the lead if they want to MT so badly, don't really need to nerf an action because one player isn't fully utilizing the rotations they have available.

[KaitoAsaha]

We're they not using Shirk? Seems like the use of it would make this entire thing a no problem, and with all role actions for tanks open there's no reason not to and just seems plain considerate. I'm just assuming though.

[KDSilver]

That's not dev team to "fix" that, that's War player in general to learn that, if you're OT, you don't use your enmity combo.

[Cabalabob]

That's not dev team to "fix" that, that's War player in general to learn that, if you're OT, you don't use your enmity combo.

Ok but why not “fix” it? There’s no reason for BB to be WARs highest potency combo, as OP said it leads to nothing but confusion where WARs mistake it for their strongest dps tool, something neither of the other tanks do.

It’s not your strongest combo, but to new WARs it LOOKS like the strongest combo. If it had lower or even equal potency to eye and path then the choice of combo would become a lot more clear cut. BB for enmity, eye for debuff, path for gauge.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Ok but why not “fix” it? There’s no reason for BB to be WARs highest potency combo, as OP said it leads to nothing but confusion where WARs mistake it for their strongest dps tool, something neither of the other tanks do.

It’s not your strongest combo, but to new WARs it LOOKS like the strongest combo. If it had lower or even equal potency to eye and path then the choice of combo would become a lot more clear cut. BB for enmity, eye for debuff, path for gauge.

There is no fix to be had - if someone can't count 1 and 1 together and see that 10 extra gauge translates into 70, 104 or 150+ potency depending on the spender (Inner Beast, Fell Cleave and Upheaval respectively), someone need to explain that to them or they should plainly quit Warrior. You have enough time figuring out that enmity combos should be avoided if you don't tank.

[ValentineSnow]

There is no fix to be had - if someone can't count 1 and 1 together and see that 10 extra gauge translates into 70, 104 or 150+ potency depending on the spender (Inner Beast, Fell Cleave and Upheaval respectively), someone need to explain that to them or they should plainly quit Warrior. You have enough time figuring out that enmity combos should be avoided if you don't tank.

Sadly this is not new content I'm talking about, it was an O10s pug group. If there are WARs somehow getting all the way to endgame content without figuring this out there's something horribly wrong, this was not the first person I've run into doing this and I can tell you now it won't be the last unless it gets changed.


So yeah, there kind of is a fix here. LOWER THE POTENCY! Neither of the other tanks has to figure out that their enmity combo is not their highest dps combo, why should WAR?

What exactly are you opposed to? It's already not WARs strongest combo so it doesn't need to be that high potency, ideally WARs never want to use the BB combo unless they have to so lowering the potency changes nothing for WARs who know how to play the job.

So what is it you don't want? More WARs to have an easier time figuring out their combo priority? Less hassle for tanks who get paired with WARs that don't know their skills? What exactly is your problem?

[Tint]

Sadly this is not new content I'm talking about, it was an O10s pug group. If there are WARs somehow getting all the way to endgame content without figuring this out there's something horribly wrong, this was not the first person I've run into doing this and I can tell you now it won't be the last unless it gets changed.

Such a change will fix nothing. Either you read through your tooltips and count 1 and 1 together and actually try to understand how your job works - or you don't.

I have seen dozens of PLDs and DRKs who sit in tank stance while offtanking and spamming enmity combo, despite the fact that it's not their highest potency combo. This is not only a WAR problem and a "fix" will fix nothing. You simply can't patch out bad gameplay.