Quote Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising View Post
You are allowed to want something different, you are allowed to want something streamlined to just be 1 button spamming. Others are allowed to ask for the old style to be returned. Yes, they are often times mutually exclusive. But lets at least not pretend its because haymaker is the only viable counter attack with debuff allowed in the game and it is a tragedy that its been removed.
That's the point of a discussion. You say a thing, I say a thing. At the end, the end goal of that discussion varies. I like the discussion. It is interesting to see how people view the same aspect of the game. I go in wanting to hear what you have to say and if you do change my mind, victory for you, victory for me. I learnt a thing.

The tragedy isn't that it was Haymaker that got removed. The tragedy is that it was actions -like- Haymaker that got removed. Like Shield Swipe got changed. Beneath all the pomp and performance, FF14's selection of Actions the players use is extremely limited, despite the fact that the engine is capable of much more.

I care about actions that give additional options. That change what you can do, that force considerations onto the field, that give you control. Was old shield swipe spammed every time? No. Because you didn't always need it. Using it when it was available was a choice you made, in place of another GCD, that in turn was based on what you needed, and that had a few considerations as well.

What about Shield Swipe now? Could you say it holds that same weight? Is it a better ability, or a more effective one? Because in my opinion, you could fold that potency into Circle of Scorn or Spirits Within and get rid of Shield Swipe, and Paladin wouldn't lose anything worth noting other than a neat animation and a Gladiator capstone quest reward.

That is the state of Reactives, what little of them remain. That if they were gone, the Job they were attached to lost nothing. You could have made Haymaker worthwhile again, you could have Shield Swipe really feel like this bracing shunt-and-bash counter attack, but no. One got removed, one got changed to Reprisal, and Reprisal went the way of the dinosaurs, which is basically just paving the way for every other Reactive currently in game.

That's the tragedy.