Let's Talk the Twins and Their End Goals

[AdamuKun322]

Okay.. just swung back into this thread and noticed that IRL politics wound up in here. Please do not discuss IRL politics in here.

[Cilia]

It's a lòie yes, but it has a truth in the fact that primals do kill the enviroment by draining the aether, as such it might aswell be a truth for them

"Primals drain aether from the land" is a separate fact to "The Garlean Empire's mission is to stop primal summons" (which, knowingly or not, is a lie).

A lie, if believable enough, can become the truth... but until then no matter how tender or exquisite it may be, it remains a lie. With Varis at the helm the Empire may have been on the track to turning the latter quote into truth (albeit through very questionable methods), but that simply isn't the case with Ascians puppeteering the Empire. Even if it were the truth, unless it changes the questionable methods it's willing to use would put the Eorzeans in opposition to the Empire anyway.

But, let's try to get back on topic. I never gave my thoughts on the original bit so...

"Twin dooms" relating to the Leveilleur twins is a big stretch. A Flood of Light is mentioned, as is some kind of Calamity, and the latter is corroborated by Crystal samples identical to those before Meteor hit. A Flood of Light seems to be the first hinted doom, but what the other could be I don't yet know.

[Remedi]

My point is that even if you tell them that they were lied about the burn, nothing will really change for them, perhaps nothing change either if you tell them about the ascians. If they bought the idea of primals killing the world, which is a fact and if they really are as savior complex as they think they are, they might simply enact a crusade to police the world off the ascians. which will be extremely bad because it worked wonders on the warriors of darkness world.
The situation is both extremely complex and hard to understand for the fact that we don't know what to do nor we have the full picture. Perhaps the ascian don't know either

As for the voice, was I the only one thinking that the twin dooms might actually be referred to hydaelyn and zodiark? Deosn't seems that either wants a flood to bring everything to nothingness

[Nalien]

A Flood of Light seems to be the first hinted doom, but what the other could be I don't yet know.

Our last scheduled Calamity was the Warriors of Darkness planning to kill us. Elidibus is impatiently waiting for orders to come take us out. I know what my guess is.

IIRC the Calling mentions the Calamity first, then Light? So we lose to Elidibus and that's a Calamity, obviously not going to happen so we win, then keep winning, Flood of Light.

I can very much see this whole warning ending up with multiple meanings though, and given Alphinaud is hanging around a self-proclaimed Ascian slayer? We already know what beating all the Ascians has done for one shard... I can see it loosely applying to the twins in some way, but certainly not a "They were evil all along!" way, just a "Good intentions can have bad consequences" kinda deal. I can also see a Zorn/Thorn duo just showing up soon, with Meltigemini in the works, to fit the "twin dooms" motif, and of course there's Hydaelyn/Zodiark. I expect this to be a theme going forward given how much it can potentially apply to. Heck you could even potentially apply it to Elidibus and Zenos (twin Zenos'), or Elidibus and Solus (twin Ascians). I'd be very surprised if they don't drag this out, I'm sure we'll stop something by 4.55, but I can see 5.x making a habit of going "Is this "Twin Dooms"?"

[LineageRazor]

It's a lòie yes, but it has a truth in the fact that primals do kill the enviroment by draining the aether, as such it might aswell be a truth for them

Don't forget that even without the aether-draining thing, Primals also can instantly and completely brainwash almost anyone at any time. That is ridiculously frightening, and a good reason to want to be rid of them even if they WEREN'T also walking environmental disasters.

We already know what beating all the Ascians has done for one shard...

Careful with this... The writers have been deliberately vague as to just what causes a Flood of Light, and we don't know that "beating the Ascians" is the cause. If anything, it seems as though the Ascians are working as mediators, regulating just how well a world's heroes progress, and Floods happen when they're either too heavy-handed (Darkness) or light-touched (Light). While, as the Warrior of Light, we know that "us vs the Ascians" is the true meta-game, the NON-meta-game is organized BY the Ascians, with the Warriors of Light on various eras and planets as the pawns.

We're supposed to be obedient pawns, as well, but that isn't working out so great, and Elidibus is clearly starting to get agitated.

Regardless, in the Ascians game, it's supposed to be "us vs ???", and when we do too well or poorly against ???, a Flood happens, so the Ascians try to arrange things so that neither extreme happens. They've failed twice, now (unless the Flood of Light was a deliberate effort to get Hydaelyn's attention focused elsewhere), which is a big reason why the meta-game arose in the first place. We've good reason not to place much confidence in the Ascians' ability to regulate things, even if they WEREN'T plotting multi-planet genocide. Anyway, the ??? noted above? We don't know what that is, and that's exactly what the writers want. I find it likely that we never will be told, either - the whole "balance of Light and Darkness" thing starts to fall apart when you go into any specifics as to just what is Light and what is Darkness.

The vagueness makes writing so much easier as well, as literally ANY ACTION WE MAKE can serve the Light or the Darkness, as the plot demands!

[Remedi]

Wouldn't say they were vague about the cause, They literally ripped that line From FF3 it was a huge nod to the whole problem in that game that an unbalance of either light or dark would cause the flood and warriors from the opposite order would stop the flood

I think it is also why ppl think the voice is the warrior of darkness

[ObsidianFire]

Just going to point out that the Flood of Light had not yet happened on the WoD Shard. It was close to happening, but it hadn't happened yet. Then Hydaelyn comes through and saves the Shard from getting Flooded at all. And that's in spite of the Ascians meddling with things (working around an Ultima-weakened Hydaelyn), not because of it.

It seems there are more ways of regulating the Light/Darkn balance then how the Ascians are (supposedly) maintaining it, but those ways involve players the Ascians have purposely been gimping for long periods of time.

[MetalSnakeXI1]

Just going to point out that the Flood of Light had not yet happened on the WoD Shard. It was close to happening, but it hadn't happened yet. Then Hydaelyn comes through and saves the Shard from getting Flooded at all. And that's in spite of the Ascians meddling with things (working around an Ultima-weakened Hydaelyn), not because of it.

It seems there are more ways of regulating the Light/Darkn balance then how the Ascians are (supposedly) maintaining it, but those ways involve players the Ascians have purposely been gimping for long periods of time.

Well Elidibus is the only ascians that care about maintaining it.The rest are more or less a Zodiark cult that cares about bringing their god back

[Alleo]

Well Elidibus is the only ascians that care about maintaining it.The rest are more or less a Zodiark cult that cares about bringing their god back

And I do kind of wonder if he truly cares about it. For someone that talks all about balance he was quite ready to go out and kill us. We are the last main WoL on the source (as far as we know) thus the last really strong champion for Hydaelyns side. What would happen with the balance if we die? Wouldnt that mean that the Ascians have a free reign and would just create lots of calamities and with that also lots of Darkness too? One Ascians already destroyed a shard with too much Darkness, so could Elidibus really keep them in check?

[RicaRuin]

And I do kind of wonder if he truly cares about it. For someone that talks all about balance he was quite ready to go out and kill us. We are the last main WoL on the source (as far as we know) thus the last really strong champion for Hydaelyns side. What would happen with the balance if we die? Wouldnt that mean that the Ascians have a free reign and would just create lots of calamities and with that also lots of Darkness too? One Ascians already destroyed a shard with too much Darkness, so could Elidibus really keep them in check?

Well, as it is hinted that there will be a Calamity of Light soon... Let's assume a Calamity / Flood of Light is caused by too much, overflowing light. As the WoL, we are an embodiment of light, so killing us would tip the scales towards darkness, making it more balanced than before - so maybe killing us is Elidibus' way of maintaining the balance.