Let us Dye Normal Raid gear

[Vaer]

Of course they're going to want it and complain they can't have it.




So what? Do you think we live in a world where every request is granted? Is that what your afraid of, that Savage will have exactly the same rewards as normal because somebody requested it?

Uh. What's your point? They don't have to grant the dye request either, right? What I'm getting from your post is "I want my dye stuff, you can put all this other stuff in there since I don't care about it and I only care about what I want." That right?

Classic "I don't care unless it affects me" mentality.

[Edax]

Uh. What's your point? They don't have to grant the dye request either, right? What I'm getting from your post is "I want my dye stuff, you can put all this other stuff in there since I don't care about it and I only care about what I want." That right?

Classic "I don't care unless it affects me" mentality.

And what I get from your post is the slippery slope fallacy.

Good thing you'll be able to steamroll Neo at level 80 in less than a year's time then. Not that he doesn't already fall over in i380 gear. If you don't want to put in the effort to get something like dyeable Savage gear when it's relevant/synced content, then just wait until you can steamroll it unsynced/undersized.

True. Kind of awkward having thing to have to do, just to get my armor dyed though.

[Vaer]

And what I get from your post is the slippery slope fallacy.

I mean it already happened. In 2.0, if you wanted the raid gear or to see the story, you had to raid. People complained. "I just want to see the story, I don't care about the gear." They even threw you a bone, even added the gear that mostly looks like the raid gear and the same minion sometimes that drops in Savage. Fast forward to now "I want the dyeable gear now, too."

[HyoMinPark]

True. Kind of awkward having thing to have to do, just to get my armor dyed though.

I mean, you could have it sooner if you want it that badly. But you have to be willing to put in the required effort for it.

[Edax]

I mean, you could have it sooner if you want it that badly. But you have to be willing to put in the required effort for it.

No, I'm willing to wait. But by the next expansion, I gotta basicly waste some of my friend's time just trying to get my samurai armor to dye. It just feels like an unnecessary hoop to have to jump through to get something so basic. By then, the armor would have lost the Savage bragging rights anyway.

[HyoMinPark]

No, I'm willing to wait. But by the next expansion, I gotta basicly waste some of my friend's time just trying to get my samurai armor to dye. It just feels like an unnecessary hoop to have to jump through to get something so basic. By then, the armor would have lost the Savage bragging rights anyway.

I'm sorry that you'll still have to put effort into obtaining something, regardless of how irrelevant it may be in terms of "bragging rights". You'll already be jumping through less hoops than the people who cleared it when it was relevant, so what is there to complain about? Not everything can just be handed out to players for no effort.

[Edax]

I'm sorry that you'll still have to put effort into obtaining something, regardless of how irrelevant it may be in terms of "bragging rights". You'll already be jumping through less hoops than the people who cleared it when it was relevant, so what is there to complain about? Not everything can just be handed out to players for no effort.

I can dye most of the gear in-game already with no effort. The system just handed out dyeable armor to the player already for no effort. Savage gear, especially obsolete Savage gear, would just be a needless timesink to get. This is more an issue with the dye system then it is with Savage in my opinion. If dyeing my class gear was locked by Eureka Pagos instead of Anemos, I'd be fuming at that too. Even then, that system was walking a fine line since the development decisions behind Eureka have been so questionable. What happens to the players who join in 5.0 and want to dye their level 70 Samurai robes? Will Anemos even have the population to support that treadmill anymore?

[HyoMinPark]

I can dye most of the gear in-game already with no effort. The system just handed out dyeable armor to the player already for no effort. Savage gear, especially obsolete Savage gear, would just be a needless timesink to get. This is more an issue with the dye system then it is with Savage in my opinion. If dyeing my class gear was locked by Eureka Pagos instead of Anemos, I'd be fuming at that too.

Sorry, I still don't see the issue here. You want something that is a perk to doing Savage (dyeable raid gear), so either do Savage or wait until you can steamroll it. And don't complain about jumping through hoops when you'll have less than the individuals who cleared it at level 70. Again, not everything can just be handed to you.

If dyeing my class gear was locked by Eureka Pagos instead of Anemos, I'd be fuming at that too. Even then, that system was walking a fine line since the development decisions behind Eureka have been so questionable. What happens to the players who join in 5.0 and want to dye their level 70 Samurai robes? Will Anemos even have the population to support that treadmill anymore?

Considering that relic gear is supposed to return with Pyros, I think it's safe to say, based on how relics typically work in this game, that obtaining the Pyros relic gear will be locked behind doing Anemos and Pagos. So, I fail to see your point here, honestly. If you end up wanting the Pyros gear, you're going to still have to do Pagos to access it, as well as whatever Pyros requirements exist for it.

Eureka will need adjustments come 5.0. What nerfs they will be, who can say, but I'm guess a huge boost to challenge log experience, and a huge nerf to the mobs themselves so that they are more easily soloable. Not sure what they'll do with things like Pazuzu feather or Louhi Ice, but I'm guessing probably an exchange system of sorts will be implemented.

[Vidu]

I can dye most of the gear in-game already with no effort. The system just handed out dyeable armor to the player already for no effort. Savage gear, especially obsolete Savage gear, would just be a needless timesink to get. This is more an issue with the dye system then it is with Savage in my opinion. If dyeing my class gear was locked by Eureka Pagos instead of Anemos, I'd be fuming at that too. Even then, that system was walking a fine line since the development decisions behind Eureka have been so questionable. What happens to the players who join in 5.0 and want to dye their level 70 Samurai robes? Will Anemos even have the population to support that treadmill anymore?

Most.

People already listed how some of the more special gearsets require you to invest some sort of effort to make them dyeable, clearly showing that "dyeable gear" is viewed as a worthy reward by both the devs and the players and that people are willing to invest time into making their gear dyeable - Eureka, Tomestone-gear, old AFs... all require you to invest some effort to upgrade them to a dyeable version.
Its also kinda funny how you're basically saying "Well, I'm fine with dyeable AF being locked behind Anemos, because thats content I'm okay doing! But I wouldnt want it locked behind Pagos!" - guess what, I didnt like either Eureka and I bit the bullet and did Anemos to get my dyeable AF.

Dungeon gear is/was infact often not dyeable and only gets dyeable when it turns into crafted sets in the next expansion.

AF-gear for gatheres and crafters in HW and SB is only dyeable when you craft it (HW) or spend more time and effort to upgrade it (SB).

Actually, quite a lot of gear is not dyeable by default and only becomes so as a reward for your efforts. Why should raid-gear be the exception?

[MoroMurasaki]

And what I get from your post is the slippery slope fallacy.



True. Kind of awkward having thing to have to do, just to get my armor dyed though.

I mean if I want an UwU weapon I have to complete UwU... if you want the gear from Savage you have to do Savage. I don't understand the confusion here.