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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    Housing items, unique mounts, raid gear that glows instead of dyes, unique weapons, really the sky's the limit.
    Let's be fair here, if they add more stuff like this to only savage and remove the dyeable stuff there will just be a new thread asking for it to drop in normal and we will be back to square one.

    You think people won't want glowing armor or some other unique glamour that doesn't have a normal counterpart if they care about dyes in the first place? That's rather optimistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaer View Post
    Let's be fair here, if they add more stuff like this to only savage and remove the dyeable stuff there will just be a new thread asking for it to drop in normal and we will be back to square one.

    You think people won't want glowing armor or some other unique glamour that doesn't have a normal counterpart if they care about dyes in the first place? That's rather optimistic.
    Pretty much this. Its more or less what I was stating earlier. If you make the NM give Dyeable, and give cooler armor to Savage, eventually the request would be to make the Savage one available to NM. Particularly if the core of the point being argued for making Dyeable on NM is for glamour purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaer View Post
    Let's be fair here, if they add more stuff like this to only savage and remove the dyeable stuff there will just be a new thread asking for it to drop in normal and we will be back to square one.

    You think people won't want glowing armor or some other unique glamour that doesn't have a normal counterpart if they care about dyes in the first place? That's rather optimistic.
    Of course they're going to want it and complain they can't have it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    Just because somebody always complains doesn't mean every complainer doesn't have a point. If we argue that no changes should ever be made because somebody will always complain, then this game can't be updated with more content ever again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    Pretty much this. Its more or less what I was stating earlier. If you make the NM give Dyeable, and give cooler armor to Savage, eventually the request would be to make the Savage one available to NM.
    So what? Do you think we live in a world where every request is granted? Is that what your afraid of, that Savage will have exactly the same rewards as normal because somebody requested it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    Of course they're going to want it and complain they can't have it.
    So they'll do exactly what you're doing now? Your entire argument screams entitlement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    Of course they're going to want it and complain they can't have it.
    Good thing you'll be able to steamroll Neo at level 80 in less than a year's time then. Not that he doesn't already fall over in i380 gear. If you don't want to put in the effort to get something like dyeable Savage gear when it's relevant/synced content, then just wait until you can steamroll it unsynced/undersized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    Of course they're going to want it and complain they can't have it.




    So what? Do you think we live in a world where every request is granted? Is that what your afraid of, that Savage will have exactly the same rewards as normal because somebody requested it?
    Uh. What's your point? They don't have to grant the dye request either, right? What I'm getting from your post is "I want my dye stuff, you can put all this other stuff in there since I don't care about it and I only care about what I want." That right?

    Classic "I don't care unless it affects me" mentality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaer View Post
    Uh. What's your point? They don't have to grant the dye request either, right? What I'm getting from your post is "I want my dye stuff, you can put all this other stuff in there since I don't care about it and I only care about what I want." That right?

    Classic "I don't care unless it affects me" mentality.
    And what I get from your post is the slippery slope fallacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Good thing you'll be able to steamroll Neo at level 80 in less than a year's time then. Not that he doesn't already fall over in i380 gear. If you don't want to put in the effort to get something like dyeable Savage gear when it's relevant/synced content, then just wait until you can steamroll it unsynced/undersized.
    True. Kind of awkward having thing to have to do, just to get my armor dyed though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    And what I get from your post is the slippery slope fallacy.
    I mean it already happened. In 2.0, if you wanted the raid gear or to see the story, you had to raid. People complained. "I just want to see the story, I don't care about the gear." They even threw you a bone, even added the gear that mostly looks like the raid gear and the same minion sometimes that drops in Savage. Fast forward to now "I want the dyeable gear now, too."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    True. Kind of awkward having thing to have to do, just to get my armor dyed though.
    I mean, you could have it sooner if you want it that badly. But you have to be willing to put in the required effort for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I mean, you could have it sooner if you want it that badly. But you have to be willing to put in the required effort for it.
    No, I'm willing to wait. But by the next expansion, I gotta basicly waste some of my friend's time just trying to get my samurai armor to dye. It just feels like an unnecessary hoop to have to jump through to get something so basic. By then, the armor would have lost the Savage bragging rights anyway.
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