Let us Dye Normal Raid gear

[Vidu]

OP just wants them dye able
not the exact same set as savage

1) They didnt say that - from all we know they very much want the gear dying the same way the Savage gear does
2) Lets say, they do that - add two different sets of this gear, dying in different ways. How long do you think it would take for people to come here and ask to have the Savage gear available to them without doing Savage again, because they like the way it dyes better?

We have a saying in german "Someone asks for your little finger, yet takes the full hand" - people who have no intrest in Savage but want the rewards have been pretending to ask for the little finger for quite a while now, while they've already taken both hands and arms, the head, the torso and are now looking at the left leg.
You have story, gear, minions and music - and yet you're not happy, because you want it all and are only willing to leave scraps that you're not that intrested in in Savage.
I'm sorry if I'm coming off a bit strong or harsh, but I really, really had it with requests like these and "compromises" you offer, because they're not needed.
Want the stuff? Do the content.

I dont want some sort of made up replacement reward, just as much as I dont want some after thought gear-designs for male characters.

[BillyKaplan]

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That's a lot of catering for a very small percentage of the playerbase. I'm not saying no incentive needs to be given but that's going too far.

Its not your place to decide weather SE makes only savage gear dyable or not. They decided to do so, now live with that and do savage or don't.

They also decided to put Greed Only in Alliance Raids, we saw how long that lasted.

[Edax]

1) They didnt say that - from all we know they very much want the gear dying the same way the Savage gear does
2) Lets say, they do that - add two different sets of this gear, dying in different ways. How long do you think it would take for people to come here and ask to have the Savage gear available to them without doing Savage again, because they like the way it dyes better?

We have a saying in german "Someone asks for your little finger, yet takes the full hand" - people who have no intrest in Savage but want the rewards have been pretending to ask for the little finger for quite a while now, while they've already taken both hands and arms, the head, the torso and are now looking at the left leg.
You have story, gear, minions and music - and yet you're not happy, because you want it all and are only willing to leave scraps that you're not that intrested in in Savage.
I'm sorry if I'm coming off a bit strong or harsh, but I really, really had it with requests like these and "compromises" you offer, because they're not needed.
Want the stuff? Do the content.

I dont want some sort of made up replacement reward, just as much as I dont want some after thought gear-designs for male characters.

I call BS. The only sets of Samurai armor in the game are locked behind Deltascape. I'd gladly give up the gear lvl, minions and music to be able to fully dye the one set of Samurai armor in the game. Samurai armor shouldn't have even been locked behind the raids to begin with as most of the game takes place IN THE LAND OF SAMURAI.

[Duskane]

actually im just throwing out ideas
i don't really care for savage gear in SB its been pretty lack luster or just bad imo

i do savage just to save me some current tomes because i like to play a lot of jobs
i don't really bother with the final tier since relics and all

i just think it would be nice if people had alternatives that's all
but i guess there are people who dont want that

[Lilseph]

ive unsync'd both a8s (gavel skip) and a12s gotten my gear what ever sure i understand the the incentive to do it

There ya go. Do it when you can faceroll it.

Nowdays it's the exact same set for both versions except one is dyable. Alexandrian gear was the only instance that I remember where the sets were slightly different.

[Duskane]

There ya go. Do it when you can faceroll it.

Nowdays it's the exact same set for both versions except one is dyable. Alexandrian gear was the only instance that I remember where the sets were slightly different.

yes alexander was the only one that actually differs
but always could be a idea in the future who knows

[Vidu]

I call BS. The only sets of Samurai armor in the game are locked behind Deltascape. I'd gladly give up the gear lvl, minions and music to be able to fully dye the one set of Samurai armor in the game. Samurai armor shouldn't have even been locked behind the raids to begin with as most of the game takes place IN THE LAND OF SAMURAI.

I dont quite get the logic of "Hand out gear to ONE job because its the one most featured one in the expansion", but hey, whatever.

And you're actually just proving my point: Even if it didnt motivate you to raid, dyeable gear is something thats highly desireable, so its a worthy reward. You dont care for minions or music - and guess what: I care more about the dyeable gear than about that mount from O12S aswell. Which is (part of the reason) why I raid.
Seriously, the stats on the Savage-chestpiece are pretty bad for a paladin, I've got the tomestone one anyways. So all thats left there for me is a pretty glamour that I cant get elsewhere, hence its a motivation.

I'd also like to call BS on your idea of Samurai-armor being only available in Deltascape - I guess your problem is that the only samurai-armor that you like is the one from Deltascape. Pretty sure that there are a few sets that match the style of a smurai - just not the one you want, as I recall from a different thread.

[Duskane]

I'd also like to call BS on your idea of Samurai-armor being only available in Deltascape - I guess your problem is that the only samurai-armor that you like is the one from Deltascape. Pretty sure that there are a few sets that match the style of a smurai - just not the one you want, as I recall from a different thread.

well no there isn't any real samurai armor as gear for the players outside of deltascape
the closest thing to it is Kojin set and Amastu set which is a pretty big stretch compared to actual samurai armor

Its the only samurai armor they like because its the only one
(but this is delving into a different topic)

[Bright-Flower]

Was any of the 4.0 pvp armor samurai ish? I forget.

Part of it seems to be that they went with the 'robed' samurai approach, like Samurai Jack/Ruroni Kenshin rather than 'fully armored samurai' for the FF XIV job judging by the artifact armor choice. They also share gear with monks so not a lot of striking gear is necessarily going to be explicitly samurai looking.

That's a lot of catering for a very small percentage of the playerbase. I'm not saying no incentive needs to be given but that's going too far.



They also decided to put Greed Only in Alliance Raids, we saw how long that lasted.

A change that was reverted quickly vs a system that's been in place for two expansions. I wouldn't count on SE making normal mode raid gear dyable. MAYBE if they get a budget increase in 5.0 and are able to make different sets but I don't think we're going to see much change in that regard.

[Edax]

Was any of the 4.0 pvp armor samurai ish? I forget.

Part of it seems to be that they went with the 'robed' samurai approach, like Samurai Jack/Ruroni Kenshin rather than 'fully armored samurai' for the FF XIV job judging by the artifact armor choice. They also share gear with monks so not a lot of striking gear is necessarily going to be explicitly samurai looking.

It would be a huge stretch to call this a "Samurai Ronin" look. Only the shoulder pads look even remotely asian.

And I wasn't really just referring the to the job of Samurai. Real life Samurai used bows, guns, spears so this would translated to many other jobs such as bard, mechanics and dragoon. Thus all jobs have access to Samurai Armor via Deltascape, but it's just the one set for everybody.
There's also the glamor event Samurai armor, but that's not dyeable either.

It is very frustrating that the only way to get proper dyeable Samurai armor is through Savage. But for an expansion to spend most its time in the land of Samurai, only having one dyeable set is ridiculous, and it should not have been the main motivator to do Savage. That would be like if the Samurai job could only receive wooden bokens, and in order to get a real metal katana, you had to do Savage. Sure, that's real motivation to do Savage, but it's completely forced and unnecessary. Again: most of the expansion takes place in the Far East, why are there so few sets of armor that actually reflect that? And what is it about Ex-Death that makes him the sole dropper of Samurai armor? This is nonsense.