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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    That certainly didn't help, but they handled it really poorly as far as supporting cast goes, is my main complaint. Everyone we grew to care about in Gyr Abania ended up dead. They brought back that refugee we met in the Shroud and Fordola killed him early into the expansion. We got to know Conrad only to have him die before Castrum Abania. M'naago is adorable and all that but she's pretty shallow and we already got her in the custom deliveries.
    Meanwhile Doma has Hien, Yugiri whom we've been with since ARR, and Gosetsu who ended up coming back from the dead. Then there's also the entire population of Doman refugees who were now brought back with the Reconstruction storyline, and the Steppe.
    All Gyr Abania has to offer is Lyse. Even if you love her to death (and not everyone does, mind) , she's heavily outnumbered.
    I think you hit the nail on the head with this, at least as far as I'm concerned. I *want* to care about Ala Mhigo. It's a beautiful zone with a lot of potential and obvious culture to be explored, but it feels like we rushed through it and I simply have no emotional connection to the land or its people. I would love to see some meaningful content that delves into the culture, gives us more NPCs to love, and has us exploring the different areas and the history around them. The msq did a wonderful job with Othard. It's a shame they dropped the ball on Ala Mhigo.

    As far as Lyse goes, I love her a lot and it saddens me that she essentially got the same treatment as Ala Mhigo, especially when compared with Hien.
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    I can understand them wanting to use Japan for inspiration, as they are a Japanese company. But it really should have been done in its own expac because they way it is shoehorned into SB doesn't feel as much of a national pride thing as it does catering to the weaboo crowd in an attempt to get more subs.

    They literally took a story that could have been something great, something we have been hearing about since ARR (I cant remember how much we heard in v1, if anything) and rushed through it, completely destroying the one thing SE has going for it. Storytelling.

    Some ppl say it was because of Sam and they had to bring Japan into it because of Sam. But they didn't with Ninja even though it relates completely back to Doma and they could have given us dnc or blu or one of the other 20 jobs ppl ask for and saved sam til the JP centric expac too.

    But regardless it feels very sloppy and Lyse, Raubaun and Ala Mhigo deserved better treatment.
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia View Post
    I can understand them wanting to use Japan for inspiration, as they are a Japanese company. But it really should have been done in its own expac because they way it is shoehorned into SB doesn't feel as much of a national pride thing as it does catering to the weaboo crowd in an attempt to get more subs.

    They literally took a story that could have been something great, something we have been hearing about since ARR (I cant remember how much we heard in v1, if anything) and rushed through it, completely destroying the one thing SE has going for it. Storytelling.

    Some ppl say it was because of Sam and they had to bring Japan into it because of Sam. But they didn't with Ninja even though it relates completely back to Doma and they could have given us dnc or blu or one of the other 20 jobs ppl ask for and saved sam til the JP centric expac too.

    But regardless it feels very sloppy and Lyse, Raubaun and Ala Mhigo deserved better treatment.
    At the very least, I can feel real passion from the devs when they made Kugane. They had a culture they could base it on, and it payed off in one of the best looking cities (Kugane) I've ever seen in a MMORPG.

    I don't know what Ala Mhigo was suppose to be based on. The concept art just makes it look like another Ul'dah. The Ala Mhigo armor was rather mundane looking, and the purple cannons that are everywhere look like they were from a cartoon. I don't think the devs ever had a handle on what Ala Mhigo was suppose to be because they didn't base it off a real world culture. This is why I'm happy the Hinganshi and Doma got so much attention, because having been to Japan and having visited the Hunan mountain cliffs in China, it really feel special to me to revisit these places in a video game during a more medieval era. I can't ever visit Japan during the Edo Period so this was a treat for me. While I'd have loved to visit Egypt or Petra or Jerusalem during their heydays, Ala Mhigo is clearly not any of those. In fact, I can't understand why the Empire even took it over, clearly they weren't interested in their quarries or salt and that's all the region is, salt and rocks. It's basically a wasteland filled with poor people, not exactly at the top of most people lists on things people want to visit.
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  5. #15
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    I was not saying it was bad, I am saying it should have been its own expac because they destroyed a very good storyline to shoehorn in something Japanese for no apparent reason. They either should have had this expac be the east or Ala Mhigo, but the two together do not work.

    As someone who took a few History of Japanese Art classes I can also appreciate a lot of the design, it just had no place in the Ala Mhigo expac.

    And I always saw Ala Mhigo as having a more Arabic design from the little we got of it. That could have been great, esp with some Indian influence since India has incredibly beautiful art, music and fashion and is greatly under represented in games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia View Post
    I was not saying it was bad, I am saying it should have been its own expac because they destroyed a very good storyline to shoehorn in something Japanese for no apparent reason. They either should have had this expac be the east or Ala Mhigo, but the two together do not work.

    As someone who took a few History of Japanese Art classes I can also appreciate a lot of the design, it just had no place in the Ala Mhigo expac.

    And I always saw Ala Mhigo as having a more Arabic design from the little we got of it. That could have been great, esp with some Indian influence since India has incredibly beautiful art, music and fashion and is greatly under represented in games.
    I guess I'm saying if anything the Far East should have been Stormblood, and Ala Mhigo cut. I just don't find Ala Mhigo interesting, and I don't think having an entire expansion dedicated to it would have been interesting to most players, even with more development. This is just my speculation of course. Maybe they could have made it work like Assassin's Creed Origins, I dunno.
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    I have little to no interested in Ala Mhigo personally. We already have Ul'dah and seemingly Thavnair that are/might be similar aesthetic. I imagine Ala Mhigo could not stand on it's own and carry an entire expansion judging by the popularity of Kugane/Doma. Perhaps I'm wrong.
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    Stormblood really didn't paint the Ala Mhigans in a favourable light. The Domans have their ups and downs, but the Ala Mhigan commonfolk just come across as a weak, cowardly, prejudiced, whiny, bloodthirsy group. I'd find it more likely they ignore Raubahn and do something stupid like start a revenge war on the Eorzean Alliance.
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    The Ala Mhigans, to me, were never painted in a particularly flattering light. Let's not forget that Fordola, as a child, witnessed Ala Mhigans stone her father to death right before her eyes. Upon being imprisoned for her own crimes, at no point did the Ala Mhigans try to understand why she did what she did. They wanted to stone her to death as well.

    Othard and Hingashi were far more interesting and enjoyable to me. The latter especially, given that it is neutral territory.

    I also think people were too hasty in assuming that Stormblood was going to be the 'Ala Mhigo' expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Stormblood really didn't paint the Ala Mhigans in a favourable light. The Domans have their ups and downs, but the Ala Mhigan commonfolk just come across as a weak, cowardly, prejudiced, whiny, bloodthirsy group. I'd find it more likely they ignore Raubahn and do something stupid like start a revenge war on the Eorzean Alliance.
    I hope so. I never particularly liked them and still don't.
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