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  1. #91
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    Iscah's Avatar
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalSnakeXI1 View Post
    Do you think that the Lalas design is a reason why there aren't too many used in msq cutscenes or just cutscenes in general?Cuz the only Lalafells that has any involvement in the story beside the player's are Papalymo,Tataru,Pipin,Nanamo,Lolorito and Teledji.And you only see Papalymo and Pipin fighting and even then it's only for small scale fights or stuff that involves magic ala the end of Heavensward.But you never see a Lalafell being involved in choreographed fight scenes that involves clashing as those would either involve a Hyur,a miqote or the other similarly proportioned race.
    For fight choreography specifically, I would guess that they might use motion capture for complex fights, or work from video reference of people acting it out. Either way, they're more likely to be working with people of typical human height, so will use characters with those proportions to make it easier.



    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    Its probably a factor in how often tehy are used in a variety of stuff. People have to consider a few things. When setting up a 'cutscene', the devs need to detemine where the camera is, how its going to move, and so forth. Now they either do one of two things: 1) they make the camera placement and movements broad and general within a wider environment, or 2) They tailor the camera movement to the character race specifically.

    I mention that aspect because since LaLas are drastically shorter than all other races, it can create issues in cutscenes where the camera might clip through a wall where it may not with a taller character. As an example, in a cutscene I watched in Doman Enclave, the camera clipped through the bench and I was staring at wood texture for a good 20 seconds. A probably oversight but it does happen. This brings up the wider issue with character models. How characters are designed can have an impact on how things are shown/played out in cutscenes, animations, and the like. In this case, Lalafells' height may affect how the camera can be used, particularly in smaller or cramped environments. Of course, that also works in reverse for super tall characters, but since the differences between the 'average' character model is more extreme between lalas and (lets say) elezen, youre probably going to get more issues with the shorter characters.
    There are definitely camera issues with taller characters! There have been a few times where my Elezen character isn't properly in frame. And as luck would have it, I found one after reading this discussion.

    Comparison of the shot with my three different characters:

    zero-height Midlander (157cm)

    11-height Roegadyn (195cm)

    50-height Elezen (202cm)

    (G'raha is zero-height/159cm)

    I assume it's programmed to keep G'raha in the middle of the screen and then adjust the camera height to get the other character in shot - you can see the difference from the lines of bricks in the background.

    Except, for some reason, the camera is set highest for the Roegadyn, and lower for the Elezen even though he's taller.

    My only guess at what might be causing it is the way Elezen don't stand facing straight ahead but turned to the left, and whether that might confuse the camera somehow.

    If anyone else wants to test it out and see what it does with a really tall or short character, it's from Scene 4 of "Syrcus Tower", a fair way into the scene after most of the party leave.

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    Also, on where the 'average' height is compared to the extremes, I checked the heights of the different models.

    At the default setting of 50, in centimetres (and height order):
    222.0 - male Roegadyn
    210.0 - male Au Ra
    207.3 - female Roegadyn
    202.0 - male Elezen
    192.5 - male Highlander
    191.0 - female Elezen
    180.4 - female Highlander
    175.0 - male Midlander
    166.2 - male Miqo'te
    164.0 - female Midlander
    156.0 - female Miqo'te
    152.2 - female Au Ra
    091.9 - Lalafell (both)

    The midpoint between tallest and shortest is 157cm - right where all the popular races are. But yes, by the list of character models, most are closer to the tall end of the scale.
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  2. #92
    Player Qojon's Avatar
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    Qojon Dejon
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalSnakeXI1 View Post
    If you're a lalafell player,did you struggle with a similar thing or something close to it?Just wondering cuz I can't be the only one who had such an awkward experience with this
    If you're one of Hydaelyn's chosen people, then you should dress with dignity. Questionable glamour is for the goyim.
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  3. #93
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    Lambdafish's Avatar
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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Technically if they are making you feel uncomfortable for the way you have dressed your character, it could be constituted as harassment, doesn't matter if they are "offended" or not, they are the one doing the harm. At the end of the day, you have dressed your lalafell in a glamour that devs have deemed appropriate for lalafells to wear. Doesn't matter if its a silly outfit, a revealing outfit, or a serious RP outfit, the devs have developed if for lalafells, and it is your right to dress however you want.
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