Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[Bahati]

All I know is if I were experiencing ridiculous amounts of harassment (not disagreements in playstyle, harassment), I'd be screenshoting it all and reporting left and right. I might not even have party chat turned on. I play this game because I like it and immature people who can't communicate issues in a run without profanity, threats and drama aren't going to ruin my good time.

Such people are ill-behaved or have temperment issues they aren't addressing. It's not your job to deal with that. Silence them one way or another and go on with your day.

[HyoMinPark]

It's "Over exaggerated" two words.... and there not, SE has the screens of the chat....but it's typical, the toxics first reaction is to always say it doesn't happen.

I’ve played this game for almost 3 years now, done all types of content from casual to Ultimate, and I wasn’t always the best player either. But I’ve never seen someone threaten to hurt someone or their family simply for bad play. So either the claim is overexaggerated, or there is far more to the story to prompt someone to actually threaten bodily harm. If there was an actual threat like this, a report to the GMs would get the individual banned, because the GMs do take cases of harassment like this seriously, regardless of what people like to say.

But since we’d rather play the Spelling Police: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...overexaggerate
And it’s “they’re”; not “there”. Before you try to correct someone else on spelling/grammar, may want to check your own first. Just saying.

Anyway, regardless of my thoughts on this overall thread, I really hate the term "toxic". It's up there with "white knights" on my hate list. If you don't agree with someone's opinion or stance, that's fine, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're toxic (or a white knight).

“Toxic” has reached the point where it doesn’t even sound like a word anymore.

I don't run EX or Savage content (or even 8-person Raids), and I wouldn't be surprised if there's more toxicity there, but it very much appears to me that you're being hyperbolic, and likely also leaving out some key parts of the story.

I’ll give some insight on Extremes/Savage content. The “toxicity” that occurs in there usually only occurs because someone is making consistent mistakes that is wiping the group and refuses to stop making them (e.g., learning how to do a mechanic correctly, as opposed to failing it multiple times); is doing significantly low damage (and this is usually not called out because of how taboo parsers are—people are usually either silently removed or the party is disbanded); or someone else starts blaming other players for things they are doing wrong (e.g., tank gets one-shot by the buster and blames the healer for “not healing them”, but didn’t even bother to pop a cooldown for it). And even then, never have I seen someone tell someone else to kill themselves or threaten to hurt them or their family. And I’ve pugged a lot of EX trials and just about every Savage floor this expansion save for Alphascape floors (I haven’t pugged them yet).

So the “toxicity” that occurs in most EX and Savage parties are from players failing to meet the standards the content requires: doing extremely low damage, dying to simple mistakes, not utilizing their entire kit, etc.. And, even then, there are plenty that scrape by with nothing said to them. Because the minute someone tells them that they’re doing something wrong, suddenly the party is full of “t o x i c e l i t i s t s” that have “ruined the game”.

[van_arn]

Last night I talked to my friend who left the game because of the toxicity in Dungeons and this is pretty much what she had to say.

"I watched all the videos on how to tank, I used all the current rotations, and made sure I watched videos on the fights before hand, then end result was people still telling me to kill myself or threatening to find me and my family and hurt them. I finally deciphered that "Bad" = you don't play the way I want, or I just really want to harass someone.

And honestly if you have to watch movies and learn sql formulas it isn't a game...it's a interactive spreadsheet with three frat bros who want to show their power over you. That's okay I can play FFXV and not have to pay to be threatened and degraded."

And since I have heard something similar to this more times than I can count...I'll just say nice job FFXIV has lost it's awesome community status to become League of Legends, and this is why we can't have nice things.

I know there is going to be several of us who plan to bring it up at Fanfest this year.....but if SE want's to emulate Blizzard to the point it wants it's terrible community nothing will be done.....where is GM Dave when you need him.

1 hotbar. One hotbar is all that is necessary to go 2.0-4.0 on a paladin. It's not optimal, but it's the basics and enough to handle any dungeon without getting chainkicked. It is one of the simplest jobs to play at a base level.

I genuinely don't know what to tell someone that can't handle this. There are bigger issues than the class if these skills are used so poorly people keep kicking or complaining.

It's "wrong" to not use Royal Authority, but that in itself isn't enough to get you kicked. The fact that you're a tank means you're given more leeway than any other class; people tend to avoid kicking them due to the replacement times.

You don't even need to watch videos. If you communicate with your party, you have boss strategies on tap. And people, as a rule, go out of their way to mollycoddle tanks that say they're doing their first run.

Hell, you even have the necessary tools and survivability here to do mass pulls all the way through -- healer permitting. So you'd make good time.


Consider the above, and "honestly if you have to watch movies and learn sql formulas it isn't a game" is absolute nonsense.

[Jimmymagic]

yet another level 70 done everything calling players lazy without an inkling what the post is about. Changing the argument and then using a dungeon or any dungeon just shows repetitive fallacy. Btw asking why to an answer you already know is extremely lazy. Learning curve is different for everyone.

[Buzzwords]

What's with this forum trying to find ways to say people playing bad is fine?

it's because they themselves are bad. and are trying to lay out pre-emptive cover for their badness.

[Skogli]

Honestly, people need to stop taking this stuff so much to heart. If you know that you're capable or have the potential to be, it doesnt matter what some random says.

If you have a bad day or you cause a few wipes, thats ok! We all do it. Ignore and ask level headed players if they can provide constructive feedback to what youre doing.

People act high as can be here on the forums, though I suspect most of being petty towards strangers in the game. In fact, thats mostly what you see happen. People completely breaking down in chat after a couple of wipes. Dont be that guy.

[KaivaC]

Oh. This is back. That's great, I guess.

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[Vahlnir]

Oh. This is back. That's great, I guess.

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[AxlStream]

Oh boy more posts about bads telling us why they aren't bads. Somebody get the camera!

[Hamada]

yet another level 70 done everything calling players lazy without an inkling what the post is about. Changing the argument and then using a dungeon or any dungeon just shows repetitive fallacy. Btw asking why to an answer you already know is extremely lazy. Learning curve is different for everyone.

Why did you bump this thread?