Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
Basically, Square's failing is they've gotten to the point where they'll only tell players yes to anything, and are more than happy to give advancement in exchange for nothing. Players naturally act spoiled and think they're doing fine because Square has forgotten to say no, saving it for a brick wall after 70. Square does nothing to keep them away from that brick wall if they are unprepared.
I do agree with this. I've seen players jumping into Savage and getting frustrated and baffled why groups are kicking them for low dps, bad gear and baffled why they die so easily. I mean, they cleared Normal so easily. The gap between everything 1-70 Normal and EX/Savage is immense and nothing prepares you for it, quite the opposite you spend 70 levels being tricked into thinking you're amazing at the game.

As for kicking, depends what you mean. I don't agree with auto-kicking a nice player who forgot or misunderstood a mechanic but at least tried it, or slipped on one mechanic or is missing a part in their rotation but is willing to listen to advice. In that case you can give that advice, they can put it into practice and learn something.
If it's players like that guy in the other thread "I was told to use Shield lob but Flash works fine for me so I ignored my group" then by all means give the boot, it's a good lesson in having a better attitude towards your team.