Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[Daibunnie]

And how does one demonstrate that they've listened to your advice? Say someone's not properly doing their rotation, but your suggestion involves changes in a way the underperformer must reorganize their binds and change the order of the buttons they have been pressing in their rotation. They've taken your advice, but they are unable to put it in practice because they need some time to assimilate your suggested changes or rebind their skills/spells. Do you keep calling them bad here too?

Yes you keep calling them bad until they've proven otherwise. Most of the time, you reorganizing your binds/hotbars/skills so you can easily find them on the screen, not for your rotation. If you need to practice, then you should do so on the several training dummies each citystate has. All of these seem like a bunch of excuses on why someone should get carried rather than learning whatever they need.

[Penthea]

Yes you keep calling them bad until they've proven otherwise. Most of the time, you reorganizing your binds/hotbars/skills so you can easily find them on the screen, not for your rotation. If you need to practice, then you should do so on the several training dummies each citystate has. All of these seem like a bunch of excuses on why someone should get carried rather than learning whatever they need.

I think that player is referring to someone being told mid-instance to change something about their rotation and they might find it difficult to because their keybinds are not set up optimally for it. The player obviously hasn't the time to fiddle with their ui a lot if they're already in the act of doing content. Never mind that so much about getting dps to be decent is having trained muscle memory. Unless the change is tiny the player won't transcend into new muscle memory very smoothly mid-instance.

[Daibunnie]

I think that player is referring to someone being told mid-instance to change something about their rotation and they might find it difficult to because their keybinds are not set up optimally for it. The player obviously hasn't the time to fiddle with their ui a lot if they're already in the act of doing content. Never mind that so much about getting dps to be decent is having trained muscle memory. Unless the change is tiny the player won't transcend into new muscle memory very smoothly mid-instance.

In that instance, why shouldn't the remaining players in the party just kick that player if they can't adapt? I really doubt people would actually accept an ice mage, 90% aggro tank, or a cure 1 only whm.

[Penthea]

In that instance, why shouldn't the remaining players in the party just kick that player if they can't adapt? I really doubt people would actually accept an ice mage, 90% aggro tank, or a cure 1 only whm.

I didn't debate whether the player should be kicked or not, and this isn't the argument you were having. You were stating people should go and practise in their own time and I explained that in a situation in which you're told to do something mid-instance you don't have the luxury of practising before being expected to show noticeably better results.

[Daibunnie]

I didn't debate whether the player should be kicked or not, and this isn't the argument you were having. You were stating people should go and practise in their own time and I explained that in a situation in which you're told to do something mid-instance you don't have the luxury of practising before being expected to show noticeably better results.

And I'm asking you why should the remaining players put up with someone who can't adapt mid-instance especially when their performance/dps is subpar. If you can't play properly while in any instance and can't change your rotation after your party had given you advice, you should get kicked.

[Penthea]

And I'm asking you why should the remaining players put up with someone who can't adapt mid-instance especially when their performance/dps is subpar. If you can't play properly while in any instance and can't change your rotation after your party had given you advice, you should get kicked.

Why are you asking me this? I didn't say they should or shouldn't. All I was doing was clarifying what someone else was saying to you as you appeared to have misunderstood it, and nothing about it touched on kicking someone. Sorry but I'm not interested in debating in a subject I didn't engage in. I suggest you ask this question to people who actually are trying to argue against you.

[HyoMinPark]

I suggest you ask this question to people who actually are trying to argue against you.

To be fair, it would help if the poster these questions were directed at would actually answer said questions. Instead, they opt to deflect and come up with more excuses to not answer the questions directed at them.

[Daibunnie]

Why are you asking me this? I didn't say they should or shouldn't. All I was doing was clarifying what someone else was saying to you as you appeared to have misunderstood it, and nothing about it touched on kicking someone. Sorry but I'm not interested in debating in a subject I didn't engage in. I suggest you ask this question to people who actually are trying to argue against you.

But you did engage? If they want to clarify that their scenario is mid-instance, I would've given them the same answer regardless. A player that can't learn or adapt from the advice they just received, will probably get kicked for someone who is less likely to waste anymore of the other player's time. Also, kicking is an inherit feature in any instance to remove problematic or bad players, which is why a lot of people mentioned it in the prior messages, and will be the outcome if said player can't perform even a basic rotation on the spot.