Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[HyoMinPark]

I love how my post was removed for telling someone to stop generalizing people they don't even know, and to recognize the toxicity in their own statements.

EDIT: Okay, their post I quoted was removed first - though one post still exists quoting it so. Meh.

Raiders and hardcore players are the most toxic i have seen in any MMO ever. tic system.

You never answered my original question to you: are these "most toxic" players you're meeting actually raiders, or do you just assume they are because their "most toxic" behavior fits your anti-raider prejudice?

Have you also recognized your own toxicity in the 5 posts you've made on this forum? Do you think it's more or less excusable to negatively generalize a bunch of people you've never met simply because you met some bad apples, and simply because your negative generalizations are against the raiders?

Which, it seems to be the trend to hate people who raid simply because they raid, or because a few raiders are jerks. I hate to break it to you, but toxicity also exists in non-raiders. It's not exclusive to raiders; your prejudice proves that.

It was probably considered very rude and disrespectful to them or someone could've reported you. Idk.

I guess I missed the memo where telling someone it's wrong to continuously generalize an entire group of people they don't know with baseless, negative assumptions is now considered an offensive/disrespectful thing to do.

EDIT: Seems like their post was considered the disrespectful one and not mine. Mine was just collateral damage.

[Magnedeus]

It was probably considered very rude and disrespectful to them or someone could've reported you. Idk.

[Vahlnir]

I love how my post was removed for telling someone to stop generalizing people they don't even know, and to recognize the toxicity in their own statements.



You never answered my original question to you: are these "most toxic" players you're meeting actually raiders, or do you just assume they are because their "most toxic" behavior fits your anti-raider prejudice?

Have you also recognized your own toxicity in the 5 posts you've made on this forum? Do you think it's more or less excusable to negatively generalize a bunch of people you've never met simply because you met some bad apples, and simply because your negative generalizations are against the raiders?

Which, it seems to be the trend to hate people who raid simply because they raid, or because a few raiders are jerks. I hate to break it to you, but toxicity also exists in non-raiders. It's not exclusive to raiders; your prejudice proves that.

Well said. This guy also clearly never played WoW. This community is, by and large, a positive one. If he thinks people here are toxic? Oh man...

[Akira]

or you know its just a game not a job maybe they dont care as long as they are you know having fun like a game is meant to be. i know thats what i do, i play how i want and i dont really care what others think. imo you pay to play this game you have every right to play how you want to play it and doesnt mean someone is playing badly doesnt mean you have the right to hound them about it.

[Vahlnir]

or you know its just a game not a job maybe they dont care as long as they are you know having fun like a game is meant to be. i know thats what i do, i play how i want and i dont really care what others think. imo you pay to play this game you have every right to play how you want to play it and doesnt mean someone is playing badly doesnt mean you have the right to hound them about it.

While having fun is definitely the most important thing, there is a right and wrong way to play...especially when you're playing with other people. When one is playing solo...you're right, it doesn't really matter. But when you enter a group setting that changes. Period.

[HyoMinPark]

or you know its just a game not a job maybe they dont care as long as they are you know having fun like a game is meant to be. i know thats what i do, i play how i want and i dont really care what others think. imo you pay to play this game you have every right to play how you want to play it and doesnt mean someone is playing badly doesnt mean you have the right to hound them about it.

This mentality doesn't work when your playstyle causes 3/7/23 other people to have to work harder due to your shortcomings. If you want to play how you want, then fine - but find other likeminded people to do it with. Don't come into someone else's Ex or Savage party and proceed to be an Ice Mage simply because "I like Bliz IV's animation more than Fire IV".

When I have to constantly raise the DPS that has died 6, 7, 8 times to the same mechanic, I'm well within my right to tell them what they're doing wrong. When I am doing more damage on a healer than a DPS, I have a right to leave the group or remove them if the group belongs to me. When I am tanking the boss as a BRD, I have a right to ask the tank why he can't hold aggro.

I don't find any of the above "fun". But am I supposed to give in if they fall under the definition of "fun" for someone else?

[Daibunnie]

yesterday did O12N yes, the fight ended whit MT, me as healer and 1 dps triple raised alive while death dps was asking if wipe or no, enjoy ur numbers

Those "numbers" give a general idea of what you did throughout the raid and how well you did among your teammates. From your response, it seems like you're blaming the dps when you and your cohealer had the first deaths and you having the most deaths in the party.

or you know its just a game not a job maybe they dont care as long as they are you know having fun like a game is meant to be. i know thats what i do, i play how i want and i dont really care what others think. imo you pay to play this game you have every right to play how you want to play it and doesnt mean someone is playing badly doesnt mean you have the right to hound them about it.

Except this isn't a game where you can do most dungeons/raids solo so you end up needing the help of other players. And yes, you do have the right to play how you want to play, but they also have the right to kick you if you have no idea what you're doing and refuse to cooperate.

[Vaer]

or you know its just a game not a job maybe they dont care as long as they are you know having fun like a game is meant to be. i know thats what i do, i play how i want and i dont really care what others think. imo you pay to play this game you have every right to play how you want to play it and doesnt mean someone is playing badly doesnt mean you have the right to hound them about it.

This sort of works until you realize everyone else is also paying to play. So they can remove you if you are intruding on their concept of "fun." They don't have to care what you think either. Goes both ways, really.

[Gallus]

This community is, by and large, a positive one. If he thinks people here are toxic? Oh man...

I too thought (and think) so, which is why I found this thread to be a disappointing surprise. The title of the thread was pretty clear and wasn't really open to interpretation. You don't go around calling people bad. People however, questioned it, and some went as far as to claim calling someone bad could very well be an accurate assessment. Then had someone else claim that it could be too that the term bad was referred to a player's performance. Basically, anything and beyond to justify harassing someone.

I know my stuff well so I don't come across very often into situations where someone attempts to blame me for a wipe or teach me how to do my rotation, but on the rare occasion I had a bad day, or I was playing a job I was not used to, or I came back from taking a break and felt extremely clumsy, or even made a mistake that cost the team some deaths or even a wipe, I was 9 out of 10 times welcomed with a "heal????????????????" or "is it very hard to aoe???" - proceeds to kick - or "keep the f******* aggro".

If you are not part of what I call "the legion of friendly advice givers", there's zero reason why you should even feel alluded by my words, because what I'm condemning here is harassing others on the internet, not truly offering friendly advice. Thing is, my experience has repeteadly demonstrated me that friendly advice in a forum translates into harassment ingame in the heat of the moment. You really are friendly and tactful when approaching someone? Cool. But know many aren't. So do not act surprised when people raise the alarm when someone approaches to tell them they could play differently a 10th time when the other 9 times they got insulted and mocked.

[Tint]

You really are friendly and tactful when approaching someone? Cool. But know many aren't. So do not act surprised when people raise the alarm when someone approaches to tell them they could play differently a 10th time when the other 9 times they got insulted and mocked.

You can be the most friendly person ever, but you are still shaming that underperforming person in front of the rest of the party.