Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[SekkerOfTrust]

You all shows urselfs, i didnt came here to talk about grammar. Just loged to forum because i had enough. Raiders and hardcore players are the most toxic i have seen in any MMO ever. I can understand some of ppl plays for many years already that doesnt mean everyone else does. That ''watch a guide after 5hours'' its an attitude most of raiders does. Imo SE should remove ''the static'' system actually rolls, it just exclude people. You all used to learn and play few hardest contents maps and think u are better than everyone else. I proved myself while for example i was farming Sephi Ex whit 5/8 ppl whit diamond gear and they died over and over and i was the last standing most of the times. System right now allows you to ''try'' or ''learn'' a savage fight for 3 days after that you will find a party clear or a learning party that dont make to second mechanic of boss. If you dont have a friend/fc/linkshell to help you to clear u are excluded to that content due to elitist and static system. People learn while playing, when i touched Ridorama first time i was like huh thats a real hard stuff and after 10 runs i do it whitout a fail or death. At the end common raiders that just log to do that cuz have all the content/achives/etc done dont care of other ppl. Whats the people that cleared savage? 20-25%? Im sure many more players will do if they dont find that barrier of static/rude/elitist group that exclude them, many of the non-raider are willing to learn and does and im sure many will be on pair to actual raiders if had a chance but raiders keep excluding em cuz go whit a static clear for week and done, imnot saying 100% of playerbase are ready to clear it due to dps check but why bother SE put the most effort to content for 20% of playerbase? They dont, its people that keep ''exclusive''. The actual raiders are holding his ego cuz this game has to much content and people that dont try or get trown away can spare is time on other stuff or you will see ppl banishes from servers.I wont argue more about it, only SE can change the status because u cant have faith on people.

[Daibunnie]

You all shows urselfs, i didnt came here to talk about grammar. Just loged to forum because i had enough. Raiders and hardcore players are the most toxic i have seen in any MMO ever. I can understand some of ppl plays for many years already that doesnt mean everyone else does. That ''watch a guide after 5hours'' its an atritudemost of raiders doesnt. Imo SE should remove ''the static'' system actually rolls, it just exclude people. You all used to learn and play few hardest contents maps and think u are better than everyone else. I proved myself while for example i was farming Sephi Ex whit 5/8 ppl whit diamond gear and they died over and over and i was the last standing most of the times. System right now allows you to ''try'' or ''learn'' a savage fight for 3 days after that you will find a party clear or a learning party that dont make to second mechanic of boss. If you dont have a friend/fc/linkshell to help you to clear u are excluded to that content due to elitist and static system. People learn while playing, when i touched Ridorama first time i was like huh thats a real hard stuff and after 10 runs i do it whitout a fail or death. At the end common raiders that just log to do that cuz have all the content/achives/etc done dont care of other ppl. Whats the people that cleared savage? 20-25%? Im sure many more players will do if they dont find that barrier of static/rude/elitist group that exclude them, many of the non-raider are willing to learn and do and im sure many will be on pair to actual raiders if had a chance but raiders keep excluding em cuz go whit a static clear for week and done, imnot saying 100% of playerbase are ready to clear it due to dps check but why bother SE put the most effort to content for 20% of playerbase? They dont, its people that keep ''exclusive''. The actual raiders arw holding his ego cuzthis game has to much contentand people that dont try or get trown away can spare is time on other stuff or you will of ppl banish from servers.I wont argue more about it, only SE can change the status because u cant have faith on people.

How long did it take you to type that up?

[KaivaC]

You all shows urselfs, i didnt came here to talk about grammar. Just loged to forum because i had enough. Raiders and hardcore players are the most toxic i have seen in any MMO ever. I can understand some of ppl plays for many years already that doesnt mean everyone else does. That ''watch a guide after 5hours'' its an attitude most of raiders does. Imo SE should remove ''the static'' system actually rolls, it just exclude people. You all used to learn and play few hardest contents maps and think u are better than everyone else. I proved myself while for example i was farming Sephi Ex whit 5/8 ppl whit diamond gear and they died over and over and i was the last standing most of the times. System right now allows you to ''try'' or ''learn'' a savage fight for 3 days after that you will find a party clear or a learning party that dont make to second mechanic of boss. If you dont have a friend/fc/linkshell to help you to clear u are excluded to that content due to elitist and static system. People learn while playing, when i touched Ridorama first time i was like huh thats a real hard stuff and after 10 runs i do it whitout a fail or death. At the end common raiders that just log to do that cuz have all the content/achives/etc done dont care of other ppl. Whats the people that cleared savage? 20-25%? Im sure many more players will do if they dont find that barrier of static/rude/elitist group that exclude them, many of the non-raider are willing to learn and does and im sure many will be on pair to actual raiders if had a chance but raiders keep excluding em cuz go whit a static clear for week and done, imnot saying 100% of playerbase are ready to clear it due to dps check but why bother SE put the most effort to content for 20% of playerbase? They dont, its people that keep ''exclusive''. The actual raiders are holding his ego cuz this game has to much content and people that dont try or get trown away can spare is time on other stuff or you will see ppl banishes from servers.I wont argue more about it, only SE can change the status because u cant have faith on people.

Well...you poked the hornet's nest...you can't get mad when hornets are understandably irked when yet another person unjustifiably portrays an overall group of players based on some bad players they ran into. Have you ever played with players on Aether? Primal? Elemental? Or is your limited experience just what you experienced on Chaos? Kinda painting a wide picture based on your experience with just one datacentre. Just sayin, but you do you. Just don't open a box that you aren't prepared to have opened for you. People get curious, ya know.

[SekkerOfTrust]

Im talking about Chaos Center, i cant say about the rest becuase i never played there, and isnt just one or two cases, it happens on most of hard content, and im not the only who noticed that as i many i saw over my 3 months playing says almost the same, even joined a hunt linkshell where many of em was raiders and saw how they talk about other players, its awfull. Raider tend to put trolls or #iwontlearnnever or #iwatchNetfilxwhileplaying on the same boat went it comes to hard content, then u see em struggle on normal content sometimes. As i normally go healer, if i make to find one of em in dungeons lets say they only will get heal for unavoidable damage if they arent the tank, and if they cry just ''git gut'' but i know this isnt good because everyone can make a mistake but if u do a mistake on savage even going blind on day 1-2 u get fired out. Maybe i need to change and play whit japanese folks or just quit, they arent harrashing like on Chaos.

[Vidu]

Im talking about Chaos Center, i cant say about the rest becuase i never played there, and isnt just one or two cases, it happens on most of hard content, and im not the only who noticed that as i many i saw over my 3 months playing says almost the same, even joined a hunt linkshell where many of em was raiders and saw how they talk about other players, its awfull. Raider tend to put trolls or #iwontlearnnever or #iwatchNetfilxwhileplaying on the same boat went it comes to hard content, then u see em struggle on normal content sometimes. As i normally go healer, if i make to find one of em in dungeons lets say they only will get heal for unavoidable damage if they arent the tank, and if they cry just ''git gut'' but i know this isnt good because everyone can make a mistake but if u do a mistake on savage even going blind on day 1-2 u get fired out. Maybe i need to change and play whit japanese folks or just quit, they arent harrashing like on Chaos.

I'm on Chaos aswell and I dont share your experience. While I raid with my static, I tend to do a lot of Ex-primal farms using PF and while I run into the occassional rage-quitter, every dismissal I can recall right now because someone messed up big time when they really shouldnt have - repeating the same mistake for the third time, not being able to handle mechanics in a Clear group, stuff like that.

And of course people need to vent about the actual bad players they come across in DF! We have a whole thread dedicated to that here on the forums and trust me: Its not only raiders who post their, its pretty much everyone.
There is a huge difference between someone telling their friends/FC/LS/the forum about "This aweful bard" they just had in their expert roulette and telling that bard "hey, you really suck!"
And honestly: If someone hasnt figured out the basics of their job and gameplay by level 70, they're not much better than a deliberate troll in my book.

[Daibunnie]

Im talking about Chaos Center, i cant say about the rest becuase i never played there, and isnt just one or two cases, it happens on most of hard content, and im not the only who noticed that as i many i saw over my 3 months playing says almost the same, even joined a hunt linkshell where many of em was raiders and saw how they talk about other players, its awfull. Raider tend to put trolls or #iwontlearnnever or #iwatchNetfilxwhileplaying on the same boat went it comes to hard content, then u see em struggle on normal content sometimes. As i normally go healer, if i make to find one of em in dungeons lets say they only will get heal for unavoidable damage if they arent the tank, and if they cry just ''git gut'' but i know this isnt good because everyone can make a mistake but if u do a mistake on savage even going blind on day 1-2 u get fired out. Maybe i need to change and play whit japanese folks or just quit, they arent harrashing like on Chaos.

Just saw the log of when you did o12n, and from looking at it, anyone can tell you you got carried all the way through it. Not only is your dps as a whm is almost nonexistent, you didn’t even do much healing. No medica 2, no cures, only assize 4 times. This is primarily why you’re getting kicked from savage parties, almost no usage of your skills and no contribution. New player or not, this doesn’t excuse your party having to carry you through content that isn’t even savage.

[SekkerOfTrust]

Just saw the log of when you did o12n, and from looking at it, anyone can tell you you got carried all the way through it. Not only is your dps as a whm is almost nonexistent, you didn’t even do much healing. No medica 2, no cures, only assize 4 times. This is primarily why you’re getting kicked from savage parties, almost no usage of your skills and no contribution. New player or not, this doesn’t excuse your party having to carry you through content that isn’t even savage.

yesterday did O12N yes, the fight ended whit MT, me as healer and 1 dps triple raised alive while death dps was asking if wipe or no, enjoy ur numbers

[Legion88]

You all shows urselfs, i didnt came here to talk about grammar. Just loged to forum because i had enough. Raiders and hardcore players are the most toxic i have seen in any MMO ever. I can understand some of ppl plays for many years already that doesnt mean everyone else does. That ''watch a guide after 5hours'' its an atritudemost of raiders doesnt. Imo SE should remove ''the static'' system actually rolls, it just exclude people. You all used to learn and play few hardest contents maps and think u are better than everyone else. I proved myself while for example i was farming Sephi Ex whit 5/8 ppl whit diamond gear and they died over and over and i was the last standing most of the times. System right now allows you to ''try'' or ''learn'' a savage fight for 3 days after that you will find a party clear or a learning party that dont make to second mechanic of boss. If you dont have a friend/fc/linkshell to help you to clear u are excluded to that content due to elitist and static system. People learn while playing, when i touched Ridorama first time i was like huh thats a real hard stuff and after 10 runs i do it whitout a fail or death. At the end common raiders that just log to do that cuz have all the content/achives/etc done dont care of other ppl. Whats the people that cleared savage? 20-25%? Im sure many more players will do if they dont find that barrier of static/rude/elitist group that exclude them, many of the non-raider are willing to learn and do and im sure many will be on pair to actual raiders if had a chance but raiders keep excluding em cuz go whit a static clear for week and done, imnot saying 100% of playerbase are ready to clear it due to dps check but why bother SE put the most effort to content for 20% of playerbase? They dont, its people that keep ''exclusive''. The actual raiders arw holding his ego cuzthis game has to much contentand people that dont try or get trown away can spare is time on other stuff or you will of ppl banish from servers.I wont argue more about it, only SE can change the status because u cant have faith on people.

Sorry, but i'm 3 weeks behind and had to grind gear to actually get into Savage.
I needed 1 hour to learn all elemental phasesa nd the transition phase of O9S.
But now i'm stuck and can't get a clear because people are joining my PFs labeled as "kill, know mechanics, have enrage experience, 3 strikes" with zero (0) experience in any phase of the fight and wiping the party on the first mechanic.
For 2 complete weeks now i'm kicking players out of my parties because they a) don't meet the expectations stated in the PF description b) can't play their job on an acceptable level for Savage content c) are immune to advices and d) are in no way prepared for for the content.
And then they start to berate me in /tell what gives me the right to exclude them. Where are we here? It's my f*****g party with my rules and i have every right to enforce my rules there.

[SekkerOfTrust]

Sorry, but i'm 3 weeks behind and had to grind gear to actually get into Savage.
I needed 1 hour to learn all elemental phasesa nd the transition phase of O9S.
But now i'm stuck and can't get a clear because people are joining my PFs labeled as "kill, know mechanics, have enrage experience, 3 strikes" with zero (0) experience in any phase of the fight and wiping the party on the first mechanic.
For 2 complete weeks now i'm kicking players out of my parties because they a) don't meet the expectations stated in the PF description b) can't play their job on an acceptable level for Savage content c) are immune to advices and d) are in no way prepared for for the content.
And then they start to berate me in /tell what gives me the right to exclude them. Where are we here? It's my f*****g party with my rules and i have every right to enforce my rules there.

That state my point, well ppl shouldnt join if dont meet what u ask for, but as i say the system excluded u, u will lucky to find a party to clear that already cleared and willing to play whit u, or if guildmate/friend help u, otherwise the rest of who join u will maybe dont have the time exp. on the boss cuz they are 1)dumb/trolling or 2)(and sadly mos of times) they get trown out before in wrong manners, removed that instance from stuff to do and dont have the exp. enough to keep up even whit some wipes. You can poke the players cuz they dont get you that clear, but arent the people, is the system.
Also i see many ppl refers ppl at PuG's, there is no PuG's in this game at all, PuG = Player under Geared, how someone can be undergeared when instance ask u for min ilvl or PF set-up min ilvl. its another word to disrespec the players that didnt spent 20hours first day of realise of a instance to learn what is goin.

[Vahlnir]

Also i see many ppl refers ppl at PuG's, there is no PuG's in this game at all, PuG = Player under Geared, how someone can be undergeared when instance ask u for min ilvl or PF set-up min ilvl. its another word to disrespec the players that didnt spent 20hours first day of realise of a instance to learn what is goin.

https://slangit.com/meaning/pug