Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[Gallus]

Please point to a significant amount of posts... or, wait, even one! that supports your point of people saying that its okay to go around and call people idiots.

Most of us are actually adovating for giving advice in a polite and friendly manner - or dismissing people silently from a duty.
No one here says that you should go around and call people "idiots". There is no need to insult someone, that is indeed never justified. And I dont recall reading a post that said otherwise.

But not playing at 70 like you know that you're at level 70 is also never justified - not even by the points listed in the OP. At a certain point you stop being new; sorting out your UI is something you do on your own time; and if you're sick enough that it influences your performance greatly: Stay in bed, rest, get better - or at least dont burden 3/7/23 strangers with it.
Telling someone who cant perform the basics of their job in The Burn shouldnt happen, I agree - but its also totally justified to tell that person, in a polite manner, that they really need to improve.

Not idiot, bad. My fault. Bad is still derogatory though. The point of the thread was that you don't go around calling bad to people. Seemed pretty obvious to me, but a disappointing amount of people seemed to be on the other side. Noticing a worrying trend here.

[Vidu]

Not idiot, bad. My fault. Bad is still derogatory though. The point of the thread was that you don't go around calling bad to people. Seemed pretty obvious to me, but a disappointing amount of people seemed to be on the other side. Noticing a worrying trend here.

Still, thats a big difference - "bad" can be a neutral and true assessment of skill, while idiot is a clear personal attack.

And I'm sorry, but a tank who cant hold aggro is a bad tank and there is no sugarcoating that.
Personally I prefer to tell people how to fix them being bad without telling them that they are.

But please, what would you call a tank whos losing aggro on the Mist Dragon? Maybe not to their face, but as neutral assessment of their skill? How would you describe that tank to your friends? "Aaawww, I just had the cutestet paladin in The Burn! He was so afraid of the dragon that the healer got to tank it!"

"Bad" is not an insult and if you're only understanding it as derogatory term with no basis... oh dear... sometimes people are just "bad" at something. Maybe without being aware of it - which is a shame, because then they could improve in a lot of cases. Obviously, they cant and wont do that if no one tells them that they have room to improve.
We havent even been adovacting to tell people "You're really bad at your job", there are ways to express that without calling them bad - "Please read up a guide"; "You can really improve on playing your job" - but I bet those are mean aswell...

[Gallus]

Still, thats a big difference - "bad" can be a neutral and true assessment of skill, while idiot is a clear personal attack.

Both are personal attacks. Bad isn't an assessment of skill. An assessment of skill consists on telling someone where they can improve. Telling someone they are bad helps nobody improve. Not even accounting for the fact the player in question could very well be doing their job properly while you are in the wrong here.

[Dualgunner]

Both are personal attacks. Bad isn't an assessment of skill. An assessment of skill consists on telling someone where they can improve. Telling someone they are bad helps nobody improve. Not even accounting for the fact the player in question could very well be doing their job properly while you are in the wrong here.

An assessment of skill requires no such critical feedback. A critique of skill would. An assessment of skill is just that--an assessment. An evaluation or estimation of the nature, quality, or ability of something or someone, as cited from Google dictionary.

Why nitpick this?

Because under the actual definition of an assessment of skill, "bad" definitely qualifies as an assessment and not a personal attack.

[Gallus]

An assessment of skill requires no such critical feedback. A critique of skill would. An assessment of skill is just that--an assessment. An evaluation or estimation of the nature, quality, or ability of something or someone, as cited from Google dictionary.

Why nitpick this?

Because under the actual definition of an assessment of skill, "bad" definitely qualifies as an assessment and not a personal attack.

I'm not nitpicking, you are just googling definitions without taking into account the context here. Calling someone bad in a videogame is not an assessment of skill.

[Dualgunner]

I'm not nitpicking, you are just googling definitions without taking into account the context here. Calling someone bad in a videogame is not an assessment of skill.

I didn't say you were nitpicking, I said I was nitpicking and explained why I was nitpicking it. Calling someone bad at a videogame is an assessment of their skill at that game.

While my question "Why nitpick this?" may have been vague, my explanation afterward should have been a clue I was talking about myself.

[Gallus]

Calling someone bad at a videogame is an assessment of their skill at that game.

Not gonna keep arguing about this because it's pointless. But even if I were to agree with you (which I don't) and accept that calling someone bad in a videogame is an honest assessment of skill, the next question would be, is that really your intention? Are you really trying to properly assess someone and help them because they are underperforming when you call them bad? Because calling someone bad doesn't seem very friendly or helpful to my eyes. Looks more to me like something you'd say to someone after wiping to a boss in an attempt to blame them and wash yourself from any responsibility you may have had in that wipe.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

It can range from someone legitly getting overwhelmed (someone who just switched to healer dealing with mass pulls undergeared)

So why haven't they bothered to get some proper gear first and practicing healing on lower level dungeons before diving headfirst into the newest content, where tanks usually mass pull?

But I'm going to be honest here, I don't do it because I respect others enough so that I don't waste their time when I queue into a dungeon. I do it because I enjoy setting the bar high.

So you don't respect others enough when you queue into content, but you want others to respect enough people who are underperforming?

From my experience, tanks that don't hold aggro or heals that don't heal to the point you can't clear a dungeon happen very rarely.

From the experience of many people on this thread including myself, it happens a lot.

Both are personal attacks. Bad isn't an assessment of skill. An assessment of skill consists on telling someone where they can improve. Telling someone they are bad helps nobody improve. Not even accounting for the fact the player in question could very well be doing their job properly while you are in the wrong here.

It's a neutral assessment. If people take it as an attack, not my problem. They should take into consideration all aspects of an MMO when they registered, including being assessed by others and having to keep a similar skill level to the rest of the party so they don't ruin other's fun in order for them to have fun.

[Gallus]

So you don't respect others enough when you queue into content, but you want others to respect enough people who are underperforming?

I respect others enough to not call anyone bad and later disguise it as an assessment of skill.
I'm passionate about this game because I like it, I don't practice my rotations in a dummy because I want to meet your acceptable levels of skill when it comes to running a dungeon.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

I respect others enough to not call anyone bad and later disguise it as an assessment of skill.
I'm passionate about this game because I like it, I don't practice my rotations in a dummy because I want to meet your acceptable levels of skill when it comes to running a dungeon.

Looks more to me like something you'd say to someone after wiping to a boss in an attempt to blame them and wash yourself from any responsibility you may have had in that wipe.

Why are you projecting and/or making up a situation that no one mentioned just to back up your opinion?