Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[Aquaslash]

This does much more harm then good, years ago when I was still pretty new to the end game scane and I wanted to try out some of the Alexander Normal raids, after 1 wipe. I was kicked from an duty with no explanation as someone who deals with major depression and anxiety(and as I’m finding out recently mild autism, this made me extremely weary and afraid to que for anything else almost to the point of wanting to quit the game, I’ve received helpful feedback other times in the game that I’ve taken into account and used to improve on, just because some people might react negatively to it doesn’t mean everyone will.

NGL, those people did you a favor. Most cats like that are massive tools and a waste of energy to be around anyway. Best I would say is hit the dummies at Stone Sky Sea, and if you can pass, don't stress it. Just queue again and do your best. Watch a guide if you need to.

I had something similar happen to me once. I think it was on deltascape 3 and I was trying to help some cats clear. 3rd wipe in or so and I had only died once to a messed up mindjack. The cats decicded to kick ME when I not only already had the clear, but was completely slaughtering the rest of the DPS even with a death. Their loss tbh. Legends say they're still trying to clear that fight to this day. Bads gonna bad. No need to stress, just do your best and move on.

[Sylvina]

NGL, those people did you a favor. Most cats like that are massive tools and a waste of energy to be around anyway. Best I would say is hit the dummies at Stone Sky Sea, and if you can pass, don't stress it. Just queue again and do your best. Watch a guide if you need to.

I had something similar happen to me once. I think it was on deltascape 3 and I was trying to help some cats clear. 3rd wipe in or so and I had only died once to a messed up mindjack. The cats decicded to kick ME when I not only already had the clear, but was completely slaughtering the rest of the DPS even with a death. Their loss tbh. Legends say they're still trying to clear that fight to this day. Bads gonna bad. No need to stress, just do your best and move on.

My true definition of bad, before all other definitions, is a player who acts like a jerk. you can play like trash and as long as you're trying your best, you're still a better player than someone who's a jerk.

[Sylvina]

I don't have a parser myself, because I am playing on PS4, but FFlogs says I pulled 3000 - 3200 in grit

dont feel bad, feel good, unless you're already in this tiers BIS or something that is pretty good.

[Legion88]

My true definition of bad, before all other definitions, is a player who acts like a jerk. you can play like trash and as long as you're trying your best, you're still a better player than someone who's a jerk.

This is a very subjective definiton...and a wrong one.
Also it judges the person and not the level of play.
Do you have any objektive criteria?

[Sylvina]

This is a very subjective definiton...
Also it judges the person and not the kind of play.
Do you have any objektive criteria?

Objectively, if a player acts like a bad person, they are bad yes. I don't have unreasonable expectations of pugs. All I expect is that they manage to clear it, depending on the content I May or may not expect them to clear with minimal trouble. and I wont shame someone if they fail to live up to those expectations. worst case scenario I apologize and leave the queue, eating a penalty if I have to.

[Nestama]

Death Gaze in Dun Scaith actually does. And it's a wonderful wake up call for people. Not to mention, it puts some responsibility on the DPS whereas now you just throw bodies and eventually win. Sadly, it's this type of design which encourages complacency.

Oh yeah! The only boss that has a hard enrage in 24-man raid... and maybe Proto-Ultima, I guess.
24-man raids need more of these, in my opinion

[Sylvina]

I dont care one way or another with enrages in 24 mans I just have rarely seen a fight drag on there for longer than 15 minutes so I don't know why people think its necessary. Generally people wipe to mechanics first or kill it.

[Daibunnie]

Objectively, if a player acts like a bad person, they are bad yes. I don't have unreasonable expectations of pugs.

Knowing how to play your class at level 70 is unreasonable now? No wonder there's so many trashy, greedy, bad players. Most of them probably think they're good because they got carried and don't even bother taking the advice people do give them like your mystic shield lob spammer.

[Granyala]

1. Are they a new player?
2. Did they recently change their UI/Binds or both?
3. Are they having a bad day or are they feeling sick?
Could be any of these things or more preventing someone from performing well. and to be fair most of the time I find it is.

1) should just speak up, I might have tips that makes stuff easier.
2) and 3) surely lower performance but it does not make you "run failing" or "no DPS to speak of" kind of bad.

If you completely reword your key mappings, stay out of savage/ex until you get used to it. Dungeons shouldn't be a problem though.

[...]it is absolutely insane how people make such a fuss out of the idea that people are bad at a video game, as though informing someone they are playing poorly is intrinsically an attack on their value as a person.

Most people cannot deal with critique, be it IRL or in a video game. That being said: only telling them that they are bad is not helpful. If you spot them making critical mistakes, provide a solution alongside with the critical remark. Way more helpful. They will still bitch and be pissed that you dared to critique Gods gift to gaming but they cannot accuse you of flaming if you criticize constructively.

[Legion88]

Objectively, if a player acts like a bad person, they are bad yes.

So you use the evil part of bad? Just a subjective feeling?
Again no proper objective criteria and you're focusing on the person not the player.

I don't have unreasonable expectations of pugs.

So here we are the same.

All I expect is that they manage to clear it, depending on the content I May or may not expect them to clear with minimal trouble.

And here we differ.
I expect them to know and perform at least their basic job mechanics and basic content mechanics dependent of the content.

and I wont shame someone if they fail to live up to those expectations.

I don't shame anyone either. I will state that he is not performing on a level fitting for the content and will ask if he will improve or not. If he declines by word or action i will get rid of this player.

worst case scenario I apologize and leave the queue, eating a penalty if I have to.

Worst case.

You see we are not as different as you may think but i have reasonable objective criteria and expectations i can fall back on judging others, while you more or less just use your feelings and subjectivity.