Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

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This got me thinking about how these situations work.

I'm not trying to toot my own horn here but if I'm compared to the average player of this game I'm quite skilled. I also favor healing and RDM which means I've almost always got the ability to sustain myself, potentially save others and even bring some people back into the fight. This means that most of the parties I'm in have a competent player with some carrying ability in them (internet willing of course) but what about other groups?

Like imagine the worst tank, healer and dps that you've seen in o12n. Now make a party out of that caliber of player and drop them in the same fight. It would be an absolute train wreck.

People are so quick to defend these poor, disenfranchised casuals but has anyone given any thought to the actual consequences of their poor play? I'm not talking about costing me an extra 5 or 10 minutes in expert roulette, clearing things in a timely fashion obviously doesn't matter to some of you, but what about not clearing at all?

At the end of the day it's all a balancing act. A given piece of content requires a certain amount of skill from the party as a whole and specific contribution by specific roles in some cases. When you don't have that you don't clear.

I kind of want to test this out by playing a melee or something. No defensive utility to speak of, find some bad pugs and see where things take us. I bet it isn't pretty.

Complain all you want about raiders and people who actually care about performance but it's the people who care who carry these underperformers through all their content. If we didn't exist they would be back there at Shinryu wondering why this boss was immortal.

I'm often asking myself the question "If everyone played at the level of this person - would the dungeon be cleared (in time)?" or "If this was a solo-game - would that person beat this boss?" - and if the answer is "No", then I personally find that person and their performance unacceptable and will try to communicate/give advice first, but if that doesnt work, remove the person from the party. Because at that point it doesnt matter to me anymore that the two of us can dou the dungeon.

For me its not about those 5 or 10 minutes either, its about a certain amount of respect and courtesy for your fellow players - and thats whats bugging me the most about those "bad players", that they show a general lack of both self-awareness and respect for the other people in their party.

...I guess you're right with your last part though and I'm guilty of that myself. I cant count of the times I said "Half of those people didnt deserve this clear of A9NM..." - but I also have an intrest to get the stuff done myself, so I wont wipe the group everytime the bard isnt using songs or dots, just to get them out...
Not a fan of carrying people, but at a certain point, I just give up - just how I've almost given up with giving advice, because most of the time its met with such a bad attitude... (and even worse - we have people who are even defending that and are of the opinion that you shouldnt give polite and friendly advice until the person who desperatly needs it, begs you for it!)

So, somedays I might be building the brick wall those people are hitting by kicking them (not that I actually believe that they sit down and think "mmh, maybe I look into my job now after all..."), but somtimes I just cant be bothered and hope that someone else will do that - or that that bard wont bother to many people on their quest of being the worst WoL Eorzea has ever seen...