Quote Originally Posted by Kaldaka View Post

Kicking for failure to meet other standards isn't listed under reasons to kick, to my knowledge doing so is reportable (Or at least used to be).
If a whole party is suffering, they can leave as individuals or vote abandon. Further more they could also talk to each other and solve it like adults.
Kicking for "difference in playstyle" is a legit reason to kick someone - so as long as you're not insulting the person in question, you can remove them from a party for making mistakes, even in DF (when you set up your own PF you set the rules anyways and if someone doesnt meet your standards, you can always remove them - again: without being a jerk about it, of course).

If the whole party is suffering and its clear as day to everyone whos fault that is, why should the time of 3/7 (and in rare cases: 23) people be wasted or why should someone take the 30 minute penalty, when the whole dungeon could easly be completed with a competent person?
Even more so, when advice was given and the "bad player" still didnt act on it.
I actually had a mute (and undergeared...) bard in The Burn lately. They werent using songs, they weren communicating, they werent reacting to anything that we said in chat. The rest of the group - me (pld), my boyfriend (BLM) and a friend of ours (WHM) - did absolutly fine and we would have probably been able to clear the dungeon despite that bard not having the faintest idea of how to play at level 70 and ignoring polite and friendly advice/requests to make use of his basic abilities.

Why should we tolerate such behaviour? And why should one of us get punished for it by leaving the dungeon?
If the majority decides "I'd rather not play with this person", why should that person remain in the dungeon instead of the majority of players who are perfectly fine with finishing the run together?