Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[Miste]

I kind of hate this image, as it's pretty much a strawman. In reality, it's more like this:

And you think your version makes more sense?

The guidelines for tic tac toe are simple, it isn't "play the way I tell you to" since there is only one correct way to play that is outlined in how the game was designed. I give you props for that circle being even more jank than the original mess.

Also just FYI in your example X went first, so O went second, then X again. What is wrong with how this game is playing out? It is now O turn again and they can block X from taking the diagonal while also furthering their opposite diagonal.

There is no logical reason for the other player to question how the game is going, so I am not sure why you think this one makes sense? In reality your image makes 100% less sense than the original.

If it wasn't a strawman before it definitely is now with your version. There is a difference between average basic level play and optimization which you are simply ignoring. The image is often used to sum up players who lack even the basics of gameplay at high levels (NOT optimization), yet lash out at anyone who tries to assist them with suggestions.

Lacking the basics of tic tac toe could easily be summed up in using diamond shapes instead of X or O since the game is clearly defined as using only X and O to mark spots.

Now for FFXIV there is only one way to play 100% you just don't have to in 99% of the content so just average play is fine, but there is still only one correct path to stay on.

A tank who doesn't tank anything in the dungeon is not an optimization issue. It is a basic case of them simply not playing correctly in the only correct way a tank can play in a dungeon: by tanking. Each role has a basic level of what you should be doing in order to play correctly even if not the best optimized way.

[Nixxe]

And you think your version makes more sense?

The original shows one player making moves that are incoherent within the framework of tic-tac-toe, such as drawing a single square in four spaces. Video games, by their very nature, are too rigid to allow a similarly incoherent move to be made. The best you could do is not participate or try to deliberately wipe your group, and it's incredibly unlikely you'll find any substantial number of people who would disagree with a kick in such a situation. However, the appropriateness of the response of the player who originally suggested tic-tac-toe is contingent on the degree of deviation by the other player's actions, which cannot be matched in FFXIV. Instead, what people are complaining about is a combination of 1) failure to carry out intended action or 2) suboptimal intended action. Instances of #2, even when still adequate to clear the content, are generally not exempted from this complaining. This makes it clear that it really is about optimization and a failure to adhere to whatever arbitrary standard the complaining player tries to impose as they try to play the duty police, as it seems that many players think the only reason anyone should play this game is to make an active effort to not just be good enough for the content they're interested in, but to be as good as possible, and they consider any other motivations or ambitions for the game to be invalid.

[Miste]

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I already explained all of this in my post, so I am guessing you didn't read it.

Not that I expected much anyway.

[Nixxe]

I already explained all of this in my post, so I am guessing you didn't read it.

Not that I expected much anyway.

Your post explained nothing except that you understand neither tic-tac-toe nor what makes for a good analogy.

And I'm telling you, your example is laughably absurd, especially given the context I responded to. By your logic, someone running the purple marker into the stack in o12n did nothing wrong. After all, "it's only a game." People have no right to be annoyed a basic mechanic that everyone should be aware of by level 70 just wiped the entire group. A less obvious example would be the DPS yelling at the tank for aggro issues yet when asked if they used Diversion, they respond with "You're a tank! I shouldn't have to!!" This is essentially telling the tank "cater to me because I can't be bothered to press a button which impacts my rotation in no way whatsoever."

So no, it isn't I who needs further clarification...

You've utterly failed at reproducing my logic, but congratulations on creating a square in four spaces: the post.

[Miste]

Your post explained nothing except that you understand neither tic-tac-toe nor what makes for a good analogy.

Incorrect.

I'm sorry you failed to understand the simple point my post was making. I guess better luck next time.

You've utterly failed at reproducing my logic

Can't reproduce something that doesn't exist in the first place...

[WaterShield]

And I'm telling you, your example is laughably absurd, especially given the context I responded to. By your logic, someone running the purple marker into the stack in o12n did nothing wrong. After all, "it's only a game." People have no right to be annoyed a basic mechanic that everyone should be aware of by level 70 just wiped the entire group. A less obvious example would be the DPS yelling at the tank for aggro issues yet when asked if they used Diversion, they respond with "You're a tank! I shouldn't have to!!" This is essentially telling the tank "cater to me because I can't be bothered to press a button which impacts my rotation in no way whatsoever."

So no, it isn't I who needs further clarification...

You've utterly failed at reproducing my logic, but congratulations on creating a square in four spaces: the post.

I would like to see you respond to the Bold part of Bourne_Endeavors quote. Can you explain to me in what way dropping a mechanic on the party that wipes them no matter how topped up their health is, is sub optimal play rather than just doing it wrong? I'm legitimately curious as to how you feel about that situation.

[Nixxe]

Wait. There was logic in that post?

You tell me. It's implicit in your statement, "By your logic..." Thus if you are now telling me that there was none, that would suggest you were lying originally.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You tell me. It's implicit in your statement, "By your logic..." Thus if you are now telling me that there was none, that would suggest you were lying originally.

I suppose we can add sarcasm to the list of things you have no understanding of...

Keep digging that hole though. It's comedy gold at this point.

[Nixxe]

I suppose we can add sarcasm to the list of things you have no understanding of...

Keep digging that hole though. It's comedy gold at this point.

[MoroMurasaki]

You tell me. It's implicit in your statement, "By your logic..." Thus if you are now telling me that there was none, that would suggest you were lying originally.

How is this even real?

Too precious for this world <3

Also I fixed that image from earlier for you.



http://imgur.com/gallery/m0h0ciD