Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[RopeDrink]

Yes, you pay your own sub, you 'can' play however you like. But when 'playing how you want' translates to negatively impacting the group, you lose that right.

My response to people who have used this to defend their actions ("I pay my sub") is simply: "So does everyone else". In short, it is one of the most nonsensical defences anyone can use when trying to justify any action, however good or bad it is. You pay yours? Great. So do I, so why do I have to suffer you if you're playing like an arthritic snail mashing a keyboard? Do what you want in the open world where you aren't effecting anyone, but in group content (where EVERYONE is paying their subscription), you lose the right to use it to defend poor play or idiocy, because everyone is now effecting everyone else's 'sub'.

Boggles my mind how many people I've seen posting "I pay my sub", and who genuinely believe it actually means something.

[Liam_Harper]

One thing I notice here is that the OP is very likely referring to a slip up or two or a single mistake from being tired/lack of focus/things on their mind, which happens to all of us even in Savage statics. You get those days from time to time. The player in question still wants to do their best.

The community seems to be referring to a player making constant mistakes, wiping groups and refusing to take advice or have any desire to improve because they're "playing their way" or "playing for fun" which is something entirely different.

The community, under this assumption now aggressively attacks the OP stating they should get the heck out of groups in their situation and stop wasting other players time. This gives the impression to those of us who are normal players intending to do their best that the community is hyper perfectionist and "elitist" when the community likely doesn't intend that. The community gives me that impression even more than WoW a lot of the time.

Ease up guys, you're on a crusade against something entirely different. People slipping up or losing focus a moment will happen in the best of groups. Don't automatically assume that player is an idiot who doesn't care until they prove themselves to be through their attitide. It's a simple request.

[Kaldaka]

I am 100% sure that the kind of behaviours that are witnessed through general incidents are completely unacceptable IRL, so why act so high and mighty on a video game?

If someone plays bad (by your own personal definition), leave them alone. You're unlikely to see them ever again after the 18-23m run of a random duty YOU chose to run without your friends.

There's simply no excuse for bullying someone because they don't meet over inflated standards.

[SenorPatty]

I am 100% sure that the kind of behaviours that are witnessed through general incidents are completely unacceptable IRL, so why act so high and mighty on a video game?

If someone plays bad (by your own personal definition), leave them alone. You're unlikely to see them ever again after the 18-23m run of a random duty YOU chose to run without your friends.

There's simply no excuse for bullying someone because they don't meet over inflated standards.

You know what? It's not even the bad play discussion in this thread that annoys me the most.

It's that somehow, I have to make the assumption that the person has a bad UI or is sick. Being new has its context so that's up to the situation.

But holy smokes, if I have to make a million and one assumptions about a guy who no-combo butcher's block his way into 70 content, I'm not gonna get anywhere.

[Kaldaka]

You know what? It's not even the bad play discussion in this thread that annoys me the most.

It's that somehow, I have to make the assumption that the person has a bad UI or is sick. Being new has its context so that's up to the situation.

But holy smokes, if I have to make a million and one assumptions about a guy who no-combo butcher's block his way into 70 content, I'm not gonna get anywhere.

So you'd rather sit there, bully someone until they kick/report you, than either take a penalty OR put up with it for a temporary amount of time? (Hoping your answer is No)
I'm quite convinced players ended up like this because they don't even play the game for the most part anymore. They boost their chars from the store, followed by face plunging into the PoTD/HoH.
Regardless of whatever method they took to get there, they still have the right to suck and unless they ask for help/I offer them guidance without being a tosser about it (and they accept), there is simply no reason for interaction (unless you're talking in general - the weather/lunch/how salty people on the forum are being today).

No half decent human being is going to willingly put the stick up their backsides and start raging at some innocent bystander they've never met before and are 90% likely to never meet again. Right?
Gets you arrested and/or banned from places IRL.

Get me?

[SenorPatty]

So you'd rather sit there, bully someone until they kick/report you, than either take a penalty OR put up with it for a temporary amount of time? (Hoping your answer is No)
I'm quite convinced players ended up like this because they don't even play the game for the most part anymore. They boost their chars from the store, followed by face plunging into the PoTD/HoH.
Regardless of whatever method they took to get there, they still have the right to suck and unless they ask for help/I offer them guidance without being a tosser about it (and they accept), there is simply no reason for interaction (unless you're talking in general - the weather/lunch/how salty people on the forum are being today).

No half decent human being is going to willingly put the stick up their backsides and start raging at some innocent bystander they've never met before and are 90% likely to never meet again. Right?
Gets you arrested and/or banned from places IRL.

Get me?

As others have said, I don't advocate bullying. But I should be able to hold you accountable in a reasonable context and manner.

Players not using their main asset as part of their job should be questioned and depending on which content we're doing, it can be anywhere from "Can you please cast dots or use songs?" to "Are you seriously trolling us or just being purposefully bad?"

The issue is, as OP made clear, is that our first recourse should be making the assumptions she made in her post.

[Rokke]

I am 100% sure that the kind of behaviours that are witnessed through general incidents are completely unacceptable IRL, so why act so high and mighty on a video game?

If someone plays bad (by your own personal definition), leave them alone. You're unlikely to see them ever again after the 18-23m run of a random duty YOU chose to run without your friends.

There's simply no excuse for bullying someone because they don't meet over inflated standards.

I agree, we should all carry ice mages and mute bards to max ilv! Who cares if everyone else has to work extra hard to drag them across the finish line, don't be a bully ! :^)

[Kaldaka]

I agree, we should all carry ice mages and mute bards to max ilv! Who cares if everyone else has to work extra hard to drag them across the finish line, don't be a bully ! :^)

What's a mute bard?
And why would you be playing with someone that long if you don't like how they play?
(Ice maging is hillarious. Should try it in something like Garuda hm or somewhere Ice 1, Ice 2, Ice 3, FREEEEZE - got half the comms assuming from the people who noticed lol)

If someone was terrible at their job IRL, and holding the rest of the team/company back, they would also probably be reprimanded/fired.

Just because "its a video game" doesn't excuse wasting others time.

It's your choice to be their. YOU choose to stay there wasting your own time.
If you're using a keyboard: Press U > Leave.
Alternatively, go pre-made.

I don't think anyone has said that berating people and acting like a dick is acceptable. That's quite the leap you made there.

If your tanks and healers are bad you're not clearing any of Alphascape. If your tanks and healers are good and all of your dps is bad you're not clearing any of Alphascape.
Who should claim responsibility for these runs if we don't have any personal responsibility to play to a basic functional standard?

Kicking for failure to meet other standards isn't listed under reasons to kick, to my knowledge doing so is reportable (Or at least used to be).
If a whole party is suffering, they can leave as individuals or vote abandon. Further more they could also talk to each other and solve it like adults.

And no, they didn't say that acting like a tool is acceptable on the forum, they simply gave a silent nod to it.
Sadly it doesn't remove the fact that it's those people I'm talking about. They're the ones you run across most frequently in duty finder. They're also the ones most likely to start flaming/harrassing/bullying those they consider to be "lesser" players. /smh

[HyoMinPark]

������ What's a mute bard?

A bard that won’t use their songs.

[Kaldaka]

A bard that won’t use their songs.

Thank you. I was trying to figure out if it was a bard who spammed silence or not...
(Is silence still one of their abilities? - not barded in forever)