Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[Gallus]

There you go again, shifting the goalposts again. First assessment, then "honest assessment," now "accurate assessment." We also had this issue with the modifier "formative" for the term "formative assessment."

You know if a word needs a modifier, then that means the word does not naturally mean what it means with said modifier? Saying somebody is bad at the game is an assessment. It's not a formative one. One could argue it's a summative assessment. However it does not need to be a formative assessment to be an accurate assessment, an honest assessment, or an assessment.

Yeah let's keep endlessly arguing over the semantics over and over again, because that's what you do in the 50% of the content of your posts. Brings nothing, so I've completely ignored that half of the content of yours in every single post. But you keep insisting, so let's get into it.
The word honest does not change the meaning of assessment whatsoever, so I'm not sure why you are even bringing it up. Your google definition of assessment brings absolutely nothing because the context in which a person offers "friendly" advice to somebody else in an online context has again nothing to do with giving someone a mark in an exam, though judging by your posts you are going to probably try and squeeze some common point here you'll even struggle to believe yourself.

And lastly, people in this thread have repeteadly demonstrated their desire for underperformers to improve, so they can have smoother runs. I'm inclined to believe it is implied that one of the goals of their "feedback", "friendly advice" or whatever you want to call it is to make others improve, which is more in line with the idea of assessment I gave, because know what? If it's not, and these people are really trying to just give a mark and leave it at that, without caring about others improve, I'll have a hard time understanding why I'm even reading the words "friendly advice" over and over again from them.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I too thought (and think) so, which is why I found this thread to be a disappointing surprise. The title of the thread was pretty clear and wasn't really open to interpretation. You don't go around calling people bad. People however, questioned it, and some went as far as to claim calling someone bad could very well be an accurate assessment. Then had someone else claim that it could be too that the term bad was referred to a player's performance. Basically, anything and beyond to justify harassing someone.

I know my stuff well so I don't come across very often into situations where someone attempts to blame me for a wipe or teach me how to do my rotation, but on the rare occasion I had a bad day, or I was playing a job I was not used to, or I came back from taking a break and felt extremely clumsy, or even made a mistake that cost the team some deaths or even a wipe, I was 9 out of 10 times welcomed with a "heal????????????????" or "is it very hard to aoe???" - proceeds to kick - or "keep the f******* aggro".

If you are not part of what I call "the legion of friendly advice givers", there's zero reason why you should even feel alluded by my words, because what I'm condemning here is harassing others on the internet, not truly offering friendly advice. Thing is, my experience has repeteadly demonstrated me that friendly advice in a forum translates into harassment ingame in the heat of the moment. You really are friendly and tactful when approaching someone? Cool. But know many aren't. So do not act surprised when people raise the alarm when someone approaches to tell them they could play differently a 10th time when the other 9 times they got insulted and mocked.

Please explain how a tank typing "heals???" in chat is, in any way whatsoever, harassment? They have no idea whether it were simply a brain lapse on your part or you have no idea what you're doing. All they do is they died. Let's assume they popped CDs, so it was a healing error. While them making a comment may across blunt, it's hardly harassment.

[Gallus]

Please explain how a tank typing "heals???" in chat is, in any way whatsoever, harassment? They have no idea whether it were simply a brain lapse on your part or you have no idea what you're doing. All they do is they died. Let's assume they popped CDs, so it was a healing error. While them making a comment may across blunt, it's hardly harassment.

It comes off as hostile though. The 90 question marks are not needed. You are already setting the grounds for bad things to happen in that run. If for whatever reason, the healer makes another mistake, what are you going to do, add 1 question mark to your already 90? Most likely a recrimination or two are going to slip, and from there it all goes downhill. The underperformer won't learn a thing, and the only thing you'll manage for them to obtain in that run is a bitter experience.

[Akira]

or you know its just a game not a job maybe they dont care as long as they are you know having fun like a game is meant to be. i know thats what i do, i play how i want and i dont really care what others think. imo you pay to play this game you have every right to play how you want to play it and doesnt mean someone is playing badly doesnt mean you have the right to hound them about it.

[Vahlnir]

or you know its just a game not a job maybe they dont care as long as they are you know having fun like a game is meant to be. i know thats what i do, i play how i want and i dont really care what others think. imo you pay to play this game you have every right to play how you want to play it and doesnt mean someone is playing badly doesnt mean you have the right to hound them about it.

While having fun is definitely the most important thing, there is a right and wrong way to play...especially when you're playing with other people. When one is playing solo...you're right, it doesn't really matter. But when you enter a group setting that changes. Period.

[HyoMinPark]

or you know its just a game not a job maybe they dont care as long as they are you know having fun like a game is meant to be. i know thats what i do, i play how i want and i dont really care what others think. imo you pay to play this game you have every right to play how you want to play it and doesnt mean someone is playing badly doesnt mean you have the right to hound them about it.

This mentality doesn't work when your playstyle causes 3/7/23 other people to have to work harder due to your shortcomings. If you want to play how you want, then fine - but find other likeminded people to do it with. Don't come into someone else's Ex or Savage party and proceed to be an Ice Mage simply because "I like Bliz IV's animation more than Fire IV".

When I have to constantly raise the DPS that has died 6, 7, 8 times to the same mechanic, I'm well within my right to tell them what they're doing wrong. When I am doing more damage on a healer than a DPS, I have a right to leave the group or remove them if the group belongs to me. When I am tanking the boss as a BRD, I have a right to ask the tank why he can't hold aggro.

I don't find any of the above "fun". But am I supposed to give in if they fall under the definition of "fun" for someone else?

[Daibunnie]

yesterday did O12N yes, the fight ended whit MT, me as healer and 1 dps triple raised alive while death dps was asking if wipe or no, enjoy ur numbers

Those "numbers" give a general idea of what you did throughout the raid and how well you did among your teammates. From your response, it seems like you're blaming the dps when you and your cohealer had the first deaths and you having the most deaths in the party.

or you know its just a game not a job maybe they dont care as long as they are you know having fun like a game is meant to be. i know thats what i do, i play how i want and i dont really care what others think. imo you pay to play this game you have every right to play how you want to play it and doesnt mean someone is playing badly doesnt mean you have the right to hound them about it.

Except this isn't a game where you can do most dungeons/raids solo so you end up needing the help of other players. And yes, you do have the right to play how you want to play, but they also have the right to kick you if you have no idea what you're doing and refuse to cooperate.

[Vaer]

or you know its just a game not a job maybe they dont care as long as they are you know having fun like a game is meant to be. i know thats what i do, i play how i want and i dont really care what others think. imo you pay to play this game you have every right to play how you want to play it and doesnt mean someone is playing badly doesnt mean you have the right to hound them about it.

This sort of works until you realize everyone else is also paying to play. So they can remove you if you are intruding on their concept of "fun." They don't have to care what you think either. Goes both ways, really.

[Sigma-Astra]

or you know its just a game not a job maybe they dont care as long as they are you know having fun like a game is meant to be. i know thats what i do, i play how i want and i dont really care what others think. imo you pay to play this game you have every right to play how you want to play it and doesnt mean someone is playing badly doesnt mean you have the right to hound them about it.

Well, you won't mind if we say that to you in response. We have every right to play this game how we want also, and if that includes and means kicking out players that are not performing to the basic requirements of their jobs, well, sorry.

I pay to play a game where I expect people to be competent and not roll an eggplant on a keyboard and see what miraculous wonders may happen in Normal Chaos.

It's just a game, after all, try not to be bitter about it when we kick people with your mentality out.

[MicahZerrshia]

or you know its just a game not a job maybe they dont care as long as they are you know having fun like a game is meant to be. i know thats what i do, i play how i want and i dont really care what others think. imo you pay to play this game you have every right to play how you want to play it and doesnt mean someone is playing badly doesnt mean you have the right to hound them about it.

Ladies and gentlemen we have found an actual elitist. Not the ones that ppl like feel are elitists but are, in fact, just raiders.