Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[Lastelli]

Content is five hours old.

"Watch a guide!" they say

Is it so hard to just avoid PUGs that require you have a solid understanding of the mechanics or ask for highly skilled players?

I mean, if I'm recruiting for "x speedkill farm" and you have no idea about how well you perform dps wise or you still need some time to get used the mechanics, please don't join my party and start your own "x learning take it easy" party.

Why do people think they have the right to join a party even when they don't meet the requirements that the recruiter asked for?

Even on D1 of a patch, people have every right to try the content and then look for other players that tried the content themselves in order to try and clear it.

[MoroMurasaki]

"Rage rage rage rage rage imabighypocrite rage rage rage missingthepointi'mtryingtomake rage rage rage incoherentscreaming rageragerage!"

I feel like you could have saved yourself time and just posted that.

Honestly where does this happen? I'm in things on patch morning for quite a few patches now and I've never seen someone behave this way. I've never even seen a guide brought up other than some people asking the party if they know of a good guide for a given fight yet.

It's crazy because I know a lot of people that are playing content when it's brand new and never hear a peep about this sort of behavior from them.

Maybe you're getting some bad eggs? Or maybe this just suits your preferred narrative.

[Soraki-Muppe]

Honestly where does this happen? I'm in things on patch morning for quite a few patches now and I've never seen someone behave this way. I've never even seen a guide brought up other than some people asking the party if they know of a good guide for a given fight yet.

Seen such behavior once since 2.0.
Was in 2.55 with that last story trial of ARR, have managed to forget the name of the fight.
It was on patch day and I as usual did all the story content in order to unlock things and get things out of the way, during the first pull one of the dps started screaming about how things should be done, and we wipes since it was the first pull anyone of us had done in this trial. Second pull and this... person decides to insult everyone just as the pull starts. After the second pull he leaves, think we cleared it after we got a new person in there. To top that of his ideas for how to clear the trial was wrong.
Having taking note of this players name and quickly taken screenshots of his insults I reported him. Add to this all that this person did really shitty dps and messed up more then the others.

So while it is extremely rare, I know that it can happen, just takes a special sort of... creature to make it happen.

[HyoMinPark]

I love how my post was removed for telling someone to stop generalizing people they don't even know, and to recognize the toxicity in their own statements.

EDIT: Okay, their post I quoted was removed first - though one post still exists quoting it so. Meh.

Raiders and hardcore players are the most toxic i have seen in any MMO ever. tic system.

You never answered my original question to you: are these "most toxic" players you're meeting actually raiders, or do you just assume they are because their "most toxic" behavior fits your anti-raider prejudice?

Have you also recognized your own toxicity in the 5 posts you've made on this forum? Do you think it's more or less excusable to negatively generalize a bunch of people you've never met simply because you met some bad apples, and simply because your negative generalizations are against the raiders?

Which, it seems to be the trend to hate people who raid simply because they raid, or because a few raiders are jerks. I hate to break it to you, but toxicity also exists in non-raiders. It's not exclusive to raiders; your prejudice proves that.

It was probably considered very rude and disrespectful to them or someone could've reported you. Idk.

I guess I missed the memo where telling someone it's wrong to continuously generalize an entire group of people they don't know with baseless, negative assumptions is now considered an offensive/disrespectful thing to do.

EDIT: Seems like their post was considered the disrespectful one and not mine. Mine was just collateral damage.

[Magnedeus]

It was probably considered very rude and disrespectful to them or someone could've reported you. Idk.

[Vahlnir]

I love how my post was removed for telling someone to stop generalizing people they don't even know, and to recognize the toxicity in their own statements.



You never answered my original question to you: are these "most toxic" players you're meeting actually raiders, or do you just assume they are because their "most toxic" behavior fits your anti-raider prejudice?

Have you also recognized your own toxicity in the 5 posts you've made on this forum? Do you think it's more or less excusable to negatively generalize a bunch of people you've never met simply because you met some bad apples, and simply because your negative generalizations are against the raiders?

Which, it seems to be the trend to hate people who raid simply because they raid, or because a few raiders are jerks. I hate to break it to you, but toxicity also exists in non-raiders. It's not exclusive to raiders; your prejudice proves that.

Well said. This guy also clearly never played WoW. This community is, by and large, a positive one. If he thinks people here are toxic? Oh man...

[Gallus]

This community is, by and large, a positive one. If he thinks people here are toxic? Oh man...

I too thought (and think) so, which is why I found this thread to be a disappointing surprise. The title of the thread was pretty clear and wasn't really open to interpretation. You don't go around calling people bad. People however, questioned it, and some went as far as to claim calling someone bad could very well be an accurate assessment. Then had someone else claim that it could be too that the term bad was referred to a player's performance. Basically, anything and beyond to justify harassing someone.

I know my stuff well so I don't come across very often into situations where someone attempts to blame me for a wipe or teach me how to do my rotation, but on the rare occasion I had a bad day, or I was playing a job I was not used to, or I came back from taking a break and felt extremely clumsy, or even made a mistake that cost the team some deaths or even a wipe, I was 9 out of 10 times welcomed with a "heal????????????????" or "is it very hard to aoe???" - proceeds to kick - or "keep the f******* aggro".

If you are not part of what I call "the legion of friendly advice givers", there's zero reason why you should even feel alluded by my words, because what I'm condemning here is harassing others on the internet, not truly offering friendly advice. Thing is, my experience has repeteadly demonstrated me that friendly advice in a forum translates into harassment ingame in the heat of the moment. You really are friendly and tactful when approaching someone? Cool. But know many aren't. So do not act surprised when people raise the alarm when someone approaches to tell them they could play differently a 10th time when the other 9 times they got insulted and mocked.

[Tint]

You really are friendly and tactful when approaching someone? Cool. But know many aren't. So do not act surprised when people raise the alarm when someone approaches to tell them they could play differently a 10th time when the other 9 times they got insulted and mocked.

You can be the most friendly person ever, but you are still shaming that underperforming person in front of the rest of the party.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

You can be the most friendly person ever, but you are still shaming that underperforming person in front of the rest of the party.

We can always go back to kicking them silently and letting them continue to underperform, since pointing that out is "shaming" them.

Sigh if we tell them about their shortcomings, we're mean and shaming them. If we kick silently, we're mean because we're not giving them a chance to improve. If we tell them about their shortcomings and kick them, we're mean and toxic raider filth.

Then you don't want us to say people here like to coddle bad gameplay...

[Dualgunner]

I too thought (and think) so, which is why I found this thread to be a disappointing surprise. The title of the thread was pretty clear and wasn't really open to interpretation. You don't go around calling people bad. People however, questioned it, and some went as far as to claim calling someone bad could very well be an accurate assessment. Then had someone else claim that it could be too that the term bad was referred to a player's performance. Basically, anything and beyond to justify harassing someone.

There you go again, shifting the goalposts again. First assessment, then "honest assessment," now "accurate assessment." We also had this issue with the modifier "formative" for the term "formative assessment."

You know if a word needs a modifier, then that means the word does not naturally mean what it means with said modifier? Saying somebody is bad at the game is an assessment. It's not a formative one. One could argue it's a summative assessment. However it does not need to be a formative assessment to be an accurate assessment, an honest assessment, or an assessment.