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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    I can't be sure but I imagine the intent here was not on every item added to the loot list and more just after the final boss is killed. There is no issue with gear throughout a dungeon, you're going to be there whether someone rolls on loot or not.
    If he is just talking about the final boss, then why bother kicking anyone at all? Why not just say "Please make the /roll time on the final chests shorter."?

    I can only go by what the OP actually wrote, speculating about what he "really" meant won't get anyone anywhere. And what the OP wrote was a terrible idea stemming from a petty annoyance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain View Post
    Is that not the case?
    Only if someone has actively rolled for it.

    If everyone passes (or leaves the dungeon) except one person who didn’t roll, that person gets it when either the timer is up, or they’re the only person left in there. Which is fair for the most part - eg. three people dash for the exit as soon as the boss is dead, and the last person is left holding the loot.

    Presumably anyone trying to ‘wait it out’ so people leave will roll on it at the last minute.
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  3. #33
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    Yxiah Eruyt
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    That sounds very rude. I hope it never happens to you again!
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  4. #34
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    Tani Shirai
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    Just casually mention your own afk arsenal: HBO, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu, and the like... Then just /sit and see for whom the time was less worth it when they finally roll.

    On the whole, it can be more annoying when everyone leaves so quickly (due to farming with just one person who needs the loot and rolled low) that you end up auto-looting something you don't want a mere 5 seconds after the kill, even if also rarer.
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  5. #35
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    Fynlar Eira
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    I will sometimes not roll on loot in things like raids, where a "one piece per week" restriction exists. Sometimes I will have things that I want the most, but if I don't win the lot on them, I will roll on something else. I don't want to roll on the other thing immediately, because then that roll might process first and then if I win it, I'll be unable to get the thing I want more.

    As far as I'm concerned, this is a flaw of the system that was an inevitable result of the one-per-week restriction combined with multiple things dropping at once. I don't feel the least bit bad for doing this in those raids, nor do I get upset at anyone else that does. The system encourages this behavior.

    As for everywhere else, though, like dungeons... I just usually assume that most tanks are so gung-ho with the mass pulls and such that people just often overlook the loot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain View Post
    Is that not the case?
    Not rolling is essentially a roll that has lower priority than Greed. If nobody rolls, everyone who didn't roll (that is still present in the instance) invisibly rolls for the loot so it doesn't just fall to the ground. In short, you can still get things even when you don't manually roll.

    The exception to this is any loot that falls under the "one per week" restriction. It used to be that this stuff could automatically fall to people and therefore screw them out of that week's lot. Needless to say, that was a major problem, and it didn't take long for them to fix this (pretty sure Labyrinth of the Ancients was still current when this happened).
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    Last edited by Fynlar; 10-08-2018 at 11:49 AM.

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    Deceptus Keelon
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    [Roll for loot please] I use that. Usually works.
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  7. #37
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    There's a topic like this everytime a new raid comes out. And it's like not always malicious. There are people who want Lens, but wouldn't mind a spring or whatever, but they're waiting to see if they lose the Lens first before they roll on the Spring. But there's someone else in the party doing the same, but for the Spring.
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    Now that the servers get attacked like every day and you are lucky if you don't disconnect mid-battle, you should roll on loot immediately. Maybe we will all get disconnected after the fight and everything would have been for nothing. So rather roll fast or no one may get anything. ;D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rymm View Post
    If he is just talking about the final boss, then why bother kicking anyone at all? Why not just say "Please make the /roll time on the final chests shorter."?

    I can only go by what the OP actually wrote, speculating about what he "really" meant won't get anyone anywhere. And what the OP wrote was a terrible idea stemming from a petty annoyance.
    Well to be fair the conclusion you jumped to makes literally no sense. What would be gained by kicking people for not rolling on loot that has dropped during a run of something other than booting the occasional afker?

    This seems like it's clearly meant to avoid the annoying situation at the end of a dungeon or raid where people sit there trying to win a minion or something by default.

    It could have been clearer but you tore into the OP for something that I don't think they intended and frankly I don't know how you found your way to the conclusion you wound up at.
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    Aster Enelysion
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    Sometimes, when someone is taking a while with that loot, I emote out that I'm rolling on my heels, saying aloud, "I like cinnamon ROLLS. Ahi ROLLS. Hawaiian ROLLS."

    If someone just plum forgot to hit the button, they usually check at that point and Need/Greed/Pass. If not, then, well... I can wait. I'd rather not have to, but I can. If you want the thing then roll and win, just like everyone else.
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