People who wait the entire time before rolling on loot

[Brill_]

Part of the problem is that the current system in raids encourages people to not roll. I.e., there are four pieces dropped in 012N and each person can only win one for the week. Rolling on the two cranks and the spring you don't want while holding off on rolling for the shaft you do want has a chance of decreasing your competition--if three party members win the two cranks and the spring you didn't want, that's three less people whose rolls you have to compete against for the shaft. Given that you don't roll against yourself, your chances just went from ~one against seven to now ~one against four. The system can, in some cases, deliberately reward not rolling.

I'd wager this is the problem. Normal mode raids are the only content where I run into this. Another scenario is someone wants a spring, but will accept other pieces if they don't win the spring. They will wait and see if they win the spring before rolling on the other pieces. They need to make it so if you win more than 1 roll, you get the piece you rolled on first. Or they could just eliminate weekly lockout on normal mode raids, it's kind of pointless anyway. They should rework the entire normal raid loot system, but that's probably never going to happen.

[Tint]

So seven other humans need to wait for you to run off and handle your business because you could not spend an additional 20 seconds to roll for loot?

As Seddrinth said above, anyone would understand an emergency... that's absolute standard. But this?

I wanted to point out that you will get kicked every time you go afk for more than 1 minute with this idea, even without loot to roll on or when you already have rolled. I finish the fight, roll on the loot, jump on the toilet - and when I come back I got kicked because it took longer than 1 minute. And because someone else didn't rolled, without being afk, I now lost my chance to get the loot?

I am all for shortening the timer on the loot, so you don't have to wait 5 minutes anymore, but an auto-kick has too many negative side effects and does nothing against people who are not afk but don't roll for whatever reason.

I would suggest to shorten the timer to 3 minutes. That's enough time to watch the cutscene at the end and compare the loot with your current stuff.

[LalafellDown]

I remember someone not rolling because they were being a poor sport. The character would taunt the players left behind. Refusing to roll on an item. I could of reported him or her with the evidence in chat, but it’s interesting to observe people’s behavior.

[Pells]

If someone has an emergency and has to afk then I can understand. But in that case let's have an auto-kick mechanism so others aren't wasting 5 minutes sitting around doing nothing. AFK for 1 minute gets an instance auto kick. Problem solved. But if someone is purposely refusing to roll until the very last second hoping people would leave, that's griefing and should be punished.

There already is an auto kick-mechanism. It will remove you from the instance after 10 minutes of inactivity.


Why not ask that the loot timer be reduced instead? 30 seconds after the last person to roll, maybe? This would help with those people who won't roll in 24-mans so they can't be kicked, as well.

[Ilan]

Is there an easy way to find out who is doing this so we can report them?

So you want to report someone just because he/she waits until the timer runs out? Guess what, this thing is there for a reason and i hope that the GM will roast you for wasting his time if you report someone for that.
Sit down and wait, doesn't hurt.

[Rymm]

But in that case let's have an auto-kick mechanism so others aren't wasting 5 minutes sitting around doing nothing. AFK for 1 minute gets an instance auto kick. Problem solved.

As a PLD main, I usually tank in dungeons. And you know what? Sometimes I just get busy. If I'm pulling two to three mob packs at a time, making sure I've got aggro on everything, positioning them so they don't hit the group, dodging AoEs, managing my CDs so the healer can dps too, and putting out as much damage as I can, I don't always have time to fiddle around with the roll menus right away. And if the DPSers aren't very good or I don't know, wandering off to open chests and play around with loot, then sometimes it can take those big pulls a while to die. You're saying I should get booted from the dungeon if I don't drop what I'm doing to roll on some trash gear in under a minute?

Well have fun getting ripped apart by those eight to twelve mobs I pulled just before getting tossed out and then sitting in the queue for god knows how long until you get a replacement tank. Hope the GC seals you get from the trash gear were worth it.

[MoroMurasaki]

As a PLD main, I usually tank in dungeons. And you know what? Sometimes I just get busy. If I'm pulling two to three mob packs at a time, making sure I've got aggro on everything, positioning them so they don't hit the group, dodging AoEs, managing my CDs so the healer can dps too, and putting out as much damage as I can, I don't always have time to fiddle around with the roll menus right away. And if the DPSers aren't very good or I don't know, wandering off to open chests and play around with loot, then sometimes it can take those big pulls a while to die. You're saying I should get booted from the dungeon if I don't drop what I'm doing to roll on some trash gear in under a minute?

Well have fun getting ripped apart by those eight to twelve mobs I pulled just before getting tossed out and then sitting in the queue for god knows how long until you get a replacement tank. Hope the GC seals you get from the trash gear were worth it.

I can't be sure but I imagine the intent here was not on every item added to the loot list and more just after the final boss is killed. There is no issue with gear throughout a dungeon, you're going to be there whether someone rolls on loot or not.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Just roll, go grab some snacks and turn a movie on. Just remember to twitch every few moments. If it bothers you that badly then you should probably seek professional help. This is a video game that has no bearing or weight with what happens to you in real life. Getting overly worked up about someone doing something mildly annoying is just going to encourage them to keep doing it. The best way to deal with a bully is just ignore them.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

It would be interesting if players who don't roll automatically forfeit the loot at the end of the timer.

Is that not the case?

[TheMightyMollusk]

When stuck with someone not rolling, I hit a dance emote and go get a drink. Usually by the time I come back, the roll's done.