Eureka is still ruined because of Pagos

[LaylaTsarra]

wait, so there are no nm trains in pagos at all? yikes.

Depends on the instance. Most have a number of small groups working on NM spawns with some who actually have a train who is vocal about where they are and what NM they are working on. Lots of people will Light Farm mobs there as well as **cough** afk waiting for spawns. The changes to light have given a lot more impetus for spawning NM's now as opposed to doing the grind. Many do both.

The bottom line however is that Pagos is a lot harder than Anemos given the former was a giveaway as far as weapons and gear obtainable by simply training. By the time you hit 20 in Anemos one had at least enough crystals for 3 relics and more. That isn't the case in pagos although I have not leveled a toon since the new adjustments to light. I do plan on leveling an alt soon and it will be interesting to see how many Frosted Protean Crystals she'll have once she hits 35. I wouldn't be surprised I will have enough for a complete relic which hasn't been the case previously.

I currently have an RDM and WHM relic on one toon and an RDM relic on another. I'm waiting for a couple friends to start pagos where I can start another toon which will make challenge log a bit easier and I enjoy playing with friends more so than randoms in the instance.

[Hyperia]

wait, so there are no nm trains in pagos at all? yikes.

I tried for two days this weekend and I never saw an established train. The only organized attempts at spawning NMs was two Loui attempts that failed both times. This was all during two prime time lockouts. I went back to Anemos and it was alive and going full steam there. Finished my challenge log there as anything below 35 is a waste of time in Pagos.

[Alleo]

Problem is, Eureka was never stated to be "casual friendly" and we knew the SB relic would be tied to it. Besides, what's the point of making the relic casual friendly since everyone can buy the Tome weapon by simply doing roulettes ? This is the "casual weapon".

Relic has always been the casual weapon. It was always the one that you can get if you dont raid but take a bit of a time to get there. And it was casual because you could work towards it on your own pace. This one needs a pure grind with RNG in a place that gives no other benefit than that. Not getting the weapon while farming stones. Relic was always something that took some grind to get.

So if the SB relic in your view is not a casual weapon, who exactly is it for? The savage raiders dont need it and everyone else can just buy the tomestone one. So for whom did they create all these zones that are useless next to the relic?

[Reynhart]

It was always the one that you can get if you dont raid but take a bit of a time to get there.

It was at the very beginning when tome weapons didn't exist. It didn't last long. And especially since Yoshida has clearly saif that Eureka wouldn't be for everyone. I really feel that people didn't really paid attention to what he said and are suprised that he kept his word.

So if the SB relic in your view is not a casual weapon, who exactly is it for?

For those who like the concept of upgrading a weapon and make a personal challenge to do this long grind. And those that want another way of progressing than running your daily roulette and farming thousands of tomestones for the twelfth time. Also for those that like having a feeling of progression into a zone, going from sneaking your way out of every mob to killing packs of them with ease.

[Lastelli]

For those who like the concept of upgrading a weapon and make a personal challenge to do this long grind.

Completing a piece of content without dying of boredom is a personal challenge now?

Anyway, elemental level 21 to 32 in pagos was the worst thing I experienced in the game since I started playing, with the yokai grind being a close second. The design is simply flawed. I'm not even talking about the idiotic reward system with abysmally low chances of obtaining interesting stuff. The very idea of making players kill hp sponges ad infinitum should've been scrapped in the early stages of the brainstorming process. It's not like anemos was much better, but the time you had to spend there to obtain what you wanted was significantly less, so it was at least bearable.
I'll probably end up completing a weapon, but honestly pagos makes me really worried about the future of the game. How the devs thought this was a good idea after the diadem debacle really boggles my mind.

[Xau]

It was at the very beginning when tome weapons didn't exist. It didn't last long. And especially since Yoshida has clearly saif that Eureka wouldn't be for everyone. I really feel that people didn't really paid attention to what he said and are suprised that he kept his word..

source?, because i don't remember he saying that

[Reynhart]

source?, because i don't remember he saying that

With pleasure :
https://gamerescape.com/2016/11/15/f...-fan-festival/

Y: I usually compare FFXIV with a theme park, but the Forbidden Land of Eureka won’t be a place where everyone would want to go. For example, there are people who don’t want to go to horror houses because they don’t see the point in getting scared on purpose. For example, on a date, the boyfriend might want to invite the girlfriend to go the horror house, but the girlfriend just doesn’t seem to find it fun. In other words, it’s not like everyone wants to go to the horror house, but there are people who just love the adrenalin rush they get from it. Think of Eureka as something like that.

Two years ago, so, basically, the very first bit of information he gave on Eureka is "It's not for everyone".

[Vahlnir]

With pleasure :
https://gamerescape.com/2016/11/15/f...-fan-festival/

Two years ago, so, basically, the very first bit of information he gave on Eureka is "It's not for everyone".

The same could be said for any piece of content. But seeing as Eureka was one of the main pieces of content in Stormblood (with a relic grind no less)...it should appeal to as many people as possible. And it doesn't. It's a design flaw, as well as a flawed mentality to have. It shouldn't be defended imo. It's really a symptom of a much larger problem.

[Zojha]

Two years ago, so, basically, the very first bit of information he gave on Eureka is "It's not for everyone".

I love how he's comparing it to a house of horrors, too!

So fitting :3

[KaimaSansun]

you gotta remember that i think a lot of folks burnt themselves out by getting all the relics in anemos done, so by the time pagos came out and its even more tedious to upgrade the weapons further, a lot of folks just kinda gave up after 1 or 2 weapons because immediately a patch after the weapons became useless to have again, due to ilvl raise again, relics in general are just a joke a in this game lol