Eureka is still ruined because of Pagos

[Deceptus]

Had the misfortune of missing out on most of Pagos due to life issues. Did the weekly challenge log to gain levels.

Going back in, Pagos is a brick wall.

The light isn't so bad because you can get a light party at the forge most days (even though 31 seems too high), but no one is spawning NM's anymore and you need those 500 flipping crystals to do step 2 of Pagos.

I have almost 600 Pyros crystals and still sitting on only 180 Pagos Crystals because no one is doing the content. And those that do, only pop lower level NM's that reward <10 crystals. You zone in, see the two bunny fates at 0% complete with 15 minutes gone on them and not another NM to be seen.

The nerf can't come soon enough.

[Duskane]

They probably aren't fixing it due to how bad Pagos already turned out to be. Punishing players even more would be a suicide move, especially now that the content will be super dead thanks to Pyros.

Still waiting on them to make Anemos and Pagos truly soloable though. Doubt it will happen at this point since SE seems to just cut their losses and move on to the next disaster based on what they did with Diadem, and the fact that the previous relics are still very grind-intensive.

Can't fix it without redoing the entire system around fates and chains
Not because of how bad pagos is

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Had the misfortune of missing out on most of Pagos due to life issues. Did the weekly challenge log to gain levels.

Going back in, Pagos is a brick wall.

The light isn't so bad because you can get a light party at the forge most days (even though 31 seems too high), but no one is spawning NM's anymore and you need those 500 flipping crystals to do step 2 of Pagos.

I have almost 600 Pyros crystals and still sitting on only 180 Pagos Crystals because no one is doing the content. And those that do, only pop lower level NM's that reward <10 crystals. You zone in, see the two bunny fates at 0% complete with 15 minutes gone on them and not another NM to be seen.

The nerf can't come soon enough.

This must be a Primal issue. Having done Pagos finally over the last three weeks, people spawned every single NM. Even got to do the dreaded Cassie. Maybe you had a bad instance?

[Hestzhyen]

Can't fix it without redoing the entire system around fates and chains
Not because of how bad pagos is

Please read the chain of replies starting from the one that you quoted, and also look at the dates.

SE could "fix" a farming exploit in Pagos by removing all rewards if it detects you killing the mobs while abusing FATE level synch. But they won't because that's basically kicking someone while they're already down.

Pagos is bad, even worse than Anemos, and the fact that SE won't come out and admit it either through more nerfs or a mea culpa is disheartening. They have to finish what they started in this expansion but I hope I hear "no more Eureka" in their plans for 5.0.

[ElazulHP]

Pagos is indeed a huge barrier on the content. It's downright painful to get through while the rest of Eureka (Anemos/Pyros) is much more tolerable. Finished two Pyros relics and went back for a third and having major trouble getting myself to even want to log in anymore to do Pagos to get to Pyros to complete the third. Pagos literally makes me want to not play the game lol... been taking a break this week playing other stuff as a result. There needs to be a massive and I mean massive nerf to the light step. I can't even imagine what is going to happen when the next expansion drops. Content is going to be unclearable.

[Deceptus]

There needs to be a massive and I mean massive nerf to the light step.

Personally, I think it should be 1 frosted for first step to dip your toe in the water. 5 for the second (and drop the Pagos Crystals to 250 or 200) and 10 for the third (and 4 Louhi Ice or two kills). Total of 16, half of what is currently needed.

[Duskane]

Please read the chain of replies starting from the one that you quoted, and also look at the dates.

SE could "fix" a farming exploit in Pagos by removing all rewards if it detects you killing the mobs while abusing FATE level synch. But they won't because that's basically kicking someone while they're already down.

Pagos is bad, even worse than Anemos, and the fact that SE won't come out and admit it either through more nerfs or a mea culpa is disheartening. They have to finish what they started in this expansion but I hope I hear "no more Eureka" in their plans for 5.0.

Well aware of the time and replies
But its not a simple "fix" as you might think

[Minas-tepes]

Leveling isn't bad anymore ?

Took me 5 days from level 20 to 35 and complete my relic.

Pyros tooks me 2.5 days for 35-50 with relic + armor

[Mansion]

The light part in pagos is not so bad, even if 31 is a lot. I had roughly 45 lights when I got my 500 Pagos crystals, although I never did "light farming", just challenge log and fates for about 10 days. They should either buff the Pagos Crystal drop or lower the 500 requirement.
But I think the overall relic grinding nerf will most likely happen by the end of 4.55, as it did for Anima. I would be surprised if they touched Pagos until then.