Eureka is still ruined because of Pagos

[Mutemutt]

You're expecting numbers that aren't released publicly. A rough assertion can be gleamed from here, reddit, fan communities, et al. A majority of opinions collated from the myriad sources favors heavily a disliking of Eureka, and specifically Pagos now.

Actually, if I remember correctly, there are numbers that suggest that Eureka is a success. I remember reading some post about there being a significant rise in active characters when the eureka patches arrived as opposed to the usual downward trend as an expansion continues.

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[Vahlnir]

Actually, if I remember correctly, there are numbers that suggest that Eureka is a success. I remember reading some post about there being a significant rise in active characters when the eureka patches arrived as opposed to the usual downward trend as an expansion continues.

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All I'm really seeing here is what to expect with patch cycles. Anemos set the stage for something potentially decent, so people flocked back for Pagos. I'd like to know those numbers as of now, but it's purely speculation.

[Ariane]

Actually, if I remember correctly, there are numbers that suggest that Eureka is a success. I remember reading some post about there being a significant rise in active characters when the eureka patches arrived as opposed to the usual downward trend as an expansion continues.

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Those increases also line up with the periods that had free login campaigns though. There was free login campaign from March 27 to May 6. Then another from July 16 to August 2.

[Edax]

All I'm really seeing here is what to expect with patch cycles. Anemos set the stage for something potentially decent, so people flocked back for Pagos. I'd like to know those numbers as of now, but it's purely speculation.

Yeah, I was honestly exciting for Pagos and was eager for it's introduction. Eureka might have had its ups and downs, but it was practically showering me with rewards, and I wanted in on the next gravy train.

[Alleo]

Actually, if I remember correctly, there are numbers that suggest that Eureka is a success. I remember reading some post about there being a significant rise in active characters when the eureka patches arrived as opposed to the usual downward trend as an expansion continues.

Someone else in another thread has pointed out that we had a lot of free log in periods at the time that numbers did rise. So can we truly say that it was because of Eureka? I mean some even said that since WoW was seemingly not that much of a success that some might have come back again. In the end these numbers may or may not be an indicator.

[Mutemutt]

Someone else in another thread has pointed out that we had a lot of free log in periods at the time that numbers did rise. So can we truly say that it was because of Eureka? I mean some even said that since WoW was seemingly not that much of a success that some might have come back again. In the end these numbers may or may not be an indicator.

Well, given that we've had plenty of free logins before and yet the patches with Eureka are the only times the numbers rose still, the correlation is pretty strong. The census had them included in previous results (it actually happened with HW a lot) and the outcome is that the numbers still fell, except in this case with Eureka being the only thing different.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Actually, if I remember correctly, there are numbers that suggest that Eureka is a success. I remember reading some post about there being a significant rise in active characters when the eureka patches arrived as opposed to the usual downward trend as an expansion continues.

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This is quite disingenuous as it ignores what else released alongside Eureka.

4.2 - New tier; Eureka was brand new, thus curiosity won out
4.3 - Monster Hunter Collaboration
4.4 - New tier

Basically, Eureka has never released without another major piece of content. Furthermore, people are inherently curious, especially given the reception Eureka has had.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Actually, if I remember correctly, there are numbers that suggest that Eureka is a success. I remember reading some post about there being a significant rise in active characters when the eureka patches arrived as opposed to the usual downward trend as an expansion continues.

This is quite disingenuous as it ignores what else released alongside Eureka.

4.2 - New tier; Eureka was brand new, thus curiosity won out
4.3 - Monster Hunter Collaboration
4.4 - New tier

Basically, Eureka has never released without another major piece of content. Furthermore, people are inherently curious, especially given the reception Eureka has had.

Also not to forget: they've literally locked relics into that pile of poor decisions. Many people, casual and raider alike, want to try to get their relics. With no other alternative options available besides suffering through Diadeureka forever in a mindless haze, of course numbers for it may look high.

Like, that is not rocket science. And it also does not show Eureka is enjoyed or popular - only that it's a necessity for anyone wanting their relics.

[Nariel]

Its funny because its active character and not Eureka activity, its a very poor choice of a demonstration because we can actualy pin it on any other piece of new content or any external factor we want. I'm sure with a bit of research I can pull out of my hat the rise of active player came from variation in the anchovy population in a particular spot.

[Mutemutt]

This is quite disingenuous as it ignores what else released alongside Eureka.

4.2 - New tier; Eureka was brand new, thus curiosity won out
4.3 - Monster Hunter Collaboration
4.4 - New tier

Basically, Eureka has never released without another major piece of content. Furthermore, people are inherently curious, especially given the reception Eureka has had.

New tiers have been a constant in the game for a while now and have had the same downward trend; it should be obvious why I would write it off. The monster hunter collab is the only other unusual thing here though I certainly wouldn't point to it as being the major reason for the jump in numbers.