Eureka is still ruined because of Pagos

[XiXiQ]

Once more, I'm not defending Eureka but to me is clear like the sky that a lot of the hate after nerfs comes from people that no longer can AFK as the did with Anemos.

You are missing the actual problem. ALL YOU CAN DO is AFK. Nothing in PF to join, no-one to join when you get in there. You can't do anything without a group, and you can rarely find one. Your only other option is going solo and ending up dead and de-levelled.


people do not WANT to AFK, they are forced into it. I've lost count of the amount of times I've gone in there and ended up just giving up with not enough people, no parties to join, nothing spawning.

[swiss_Momo]

personally, I got most of the light for my first anima from Shatter, since I was also farming for the Garo event

[Tint]

I am actually a fan of grinding. I have my first relic finished before they nerfed Pagos the first time and I also farmed the Triple Triad cards and shiver emote. I am currently working on a second relic, need 8 more light crystals.

I really like that they have added grind content. But the design of Eureka is just bad. The exp penalty when people are not at the same level is the main cause why Eureka sucks. It's just too hard to find a party. The train is the only viable option to play this content, because the NMs have a level synch.

Also there are too many different objectives (leveling, chaining, light farm, spawning specific NMs like Cassie, Bunny fates, farming cold warped lock boxes) wich further drives the people apart and makes it difficult to find a party.

They have to channel all players into the same objective / let them work towards all objectives at the same time like the NM train in Anemos did. Also adding level synch or reduce the exp penalty when you are underleveled (like when you are lvl 20 and kill a lvl 30 monster with lvl 30 players in the party you still get at least the same amount of exp a level 20 monster would give you). But honestly I think the whole leveling process in Eureka was a bad idea.

[Araxes]

I just tried Pagos a little bit... Anemos was okay but Pagos woke up my Aion-Thrauma from the endless grind. So i just never entered Pagos again and thus wont ever enter Pyros either.

[Solarra]

While I'm happy for the people who like this content, I still find Pagos horrendous, personally. I don't understand why all the difficulty is loaded towards the lower levels, it goes against the design of every successful game I can think of.

At 35 I can get around the map relatively fast and without too much risk, but even so the grinding for crystals is just mind-numbing. I've met some lovely people in Pagos and enjoyed their company but I haven't enjoyed the actual content or the design of the area at all.
I'm hoping they nerf the light-farm stage as I need 16 more crystals to complete the Pagos weapon. If I'm still facing a huge, long grind and/or Pyros is more of the same, I can't see myself sticking it out.

[Liam_Harper]

The level requirements on the Aetherytes really need to go. It's ridiculous that a lv27 fate can spawn across the map and all the lv27's miss it because they aren't lv30 for the aetheryte.

If you managed to reach either of those Aetheytes on foot as a low level to attune, you deserve the teleport.

[Fynlar]

Compared to Eureka? Definitely not. It uses the least amount of resources (as it's mostly reusing models and attack animations) and apparently only has one person working on making the mechanics (or one person thinks of the mechanics and then the battle team works on it).

Way more people do Eureka than ultimate, regardless of the level of distaste on the forums.

[Nestama]

Way more people do Eureka than ultimate, regardless of the level of distaste on the forums.

Doesn't change the fact it uses less resources than Eureka. Ultimate also appears to have a stable community (those who did one will most likely do the next). Eureka, thanks to Pagos, is probably going to have a diminishing community. Possibly to a point where it's comparable to how many people do Ultimate... or worse, to a point comparable to how many people have cleared Ultimate. That'd be very bad if only 1% of the playerbase does Eureka in the end.

[Fynlar]

Doesn't change the fact it uses less resources than Eureka.

Doesn't change the fact you are suggesting resources into supposedly unpopular content is a "waste" and should therefore be reallocated... into content that caters to far fewer people, and therefore far fewer people actually participate in

The fact that you can't seem to see the hypocrisy in your argument is amusing as well

[Nestama]

Doesn't change the fact you are suggesting resources into supposedly unpopular content is a "waste" and should therefore be reallocated... into content that caters to far fewer people, and therefore far fewer people actually participate in

The fact that you can't seem to see the hypocrisy in your argument is amusing as well

I did consider dungeons, but they're nothing new (hallway of mobs, boss, 'nother hallway of mobs, 'nother boss, 'nother hallway and then final boss. At least the bosses have some mechanics going for them now). Ultimate is at least interesting to watch (Pagos is not fun to play, nor is it fun to watch).