Eureka is still ruined because of Pagos

[Reynhart]

If they use over a year to create something and people mostly react negative towards it and only a certain part of the playerbase does it, then maybe that would have been time and budget they could have spent on something else.

Again, you're still claiming that the sample of reaction has any relevant value to judge the overall reception of Eureka, when it hasn't. As an example, on that topic, around 266 people had something to say. Even if 100% of those people hate Eureka, which they don't, it's less than the people running it over and over even after reaching level 35 and finishing the weapon for their main job in a single datacenter.

And, if we take this census has a base to roughly estimate the active population, it's 0.03% of it. That's what represents a hundred pages of people talking about Eureka. On a sidenote, it's also more than the total population that cleared Ultimate Bahamut when the census was made...

[Edax]

Again, you're still claiming that the sample of reaction has any relevant value to judge the overall reception of Eureka, when it hasn't. As an example, on that topic, around 266 people had something to say. Even if 100% of those people hate Eureka, which they don't, it's less than the people running it over and over even after reaching level 35 and finishing the weapon for their main job in a single datacenter.

And, if we take this census has a base to roughly estimate the active population, it's 0.03% of it. That's what represents a hundred pages of people talking about Eureka. On a sidenote, it's also more than the total population that cleared Ultimate Bahamut when the census was made...

Then again, you can't defend Eureka with numbers either. So it's a moot attempt to shut down the debate entirely.

[Dragoon4life]

The Dec team didn’t like how Anemos was done. So is the dev team ok with everyone AFking at the entry point wait for the NMs to pop. And no I’m really not looking forward to the next two zones of the garbage content.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Fun fact, another Eureka hater even admitted than even if Eureka haters stop doing it and even if without them global statistics would show that Eureka would be a successful content when it comes to participation number, he'd still consider is a waste for the game. Another thing that I don't do, or you'd be seeing me everywhere claiming that PvP, Savage and Ultimate are a waste of money...

Once again, you keep trying to draw a correlation which does not exist. Savage and Ultimate are designed with the exception of a minority interest. Eureka, on the other hand, was intended to be something for everyone. While I cannot definitive say what Eureka's population is. It's a fair guess when the overwhelming response online is negative, and the zone itself has suspiciously low participation. Sure, the online presence only makes up a small portion of the community but when opinions are severely one-sided, it's often shared amongst the fanbase as a whole.

As for PvP. Frankly, it is a waste of money at this point. Four years and they still can barely keep it active for longer than a couple weeks.

Again, you're still claiming that the sample of reaction has any relevant value to judge the overall reception of Eureka, when it hasn't. As an example, on that topic, around 266 people had something to say. Even if 100% of those people hate Eureka, which they don't, it's less than the people running it over and over even after reaching level 35 and finishing the weapon for their main job in a single datacenter.

This dismissive excuse has been used countless times. Look at Star Wars: Battlefront II or Mass Effect 3. In both scenarios, the online uproar was dismissed as only a small fraction of the playerbase. Turns out they represented a much larger silent majority.

But no, I won't ask for it to be removed, as long as I have an alternative to meet the ilvl requirement of content. That's the one thing that Stormblood does better than Heavensward.

Isn't this contradictory? Eureka offers no alternative. You either grind endless trash mobs or no relic for you. Whereas tomestones drop for nearly everything, thus allowing players to choose their avenue of progression. So you want alternative methods for ilvl yet scoff when people are demanding alternatives to Eureka, or even other means of progressing their relic inside Eureka? That has been one of the major complaints. There is no choice when we used to have half a dozen.

[Krokov]

I guess I'm one of the few that actually doesn't mind Eureka granted the XP lost can be irritating indeed but I actually don't mind Eureka indeed I can find it fun. I should say when there's people that actually participate and want to kill the notorious monsters and complete objectives and such you asked for help with a monster and no one comes it can get very frustrating. But if there's not a lot of players with in the instance what can you do.

[Reynhart]

Then again, you can't defend Eureka with numbers either. So it's a moot attempt to shut down the debate entirely.

I'm not the one trying to "justify" my opinion on Eureka by pretending that I'm with the majority. I only speak for myself.

Eureka, on the other hand, was intended to be something for everyone.

Seriously, how many times must I quote Yoshi-P to prove that no, it wasn't ?

Y: I usually compare FFXIV with a theme park, but the Forbidden Land of Eureka won’t. be. a. place. where. everyone. would. want. to. go.

It's a fair guess when the overwhelming response online is negative

The vocal response might be, but for every topic, you'll see more people voicing their complain that their praise.

and the zone itself has suspiciously low participation.

Again, no sample to backup that claim.

In both scenarios, the online uproar was dismissed as only a small fraction of the playerbase. Turns out they represented a much larger silent majority.

In the end, maybe they did, but it was shown by the overall success. As long as we don't have stats on Eureka, we can't judge that.

Isn't this contradictory? Eureka offers no alternative.

You have alternatives to meet ilvl requirements. What would be a problem if access to other content was gated behind the rewards of Eureka, but that's not the case. In HW, if you wanted to enter Gordias normal at launch, you had to farm a full upgraded tomestone set.

[Vahlnir]

I'm not the one trying to "justify" my opinion on Eureka by pretending that I'm with the majority. I only speak for myself.

Seriously, how many times must I quote Yoshi-P to prove that no, it wasn't ?


The vocal response might be, but for every topic, you'll see more people voicing their complain that their praise.

Again, no sample to backup that claim.

In the end, maybe they did, but it was shown by the overall success. As long as we don't have stats on Eureka, we can't judge that.

You have alternatives to meet ilvl requirements. What would be a problem if access to other content was gated behind the rewards of Eureka, but that's not the case. In HW, if you wanted to enter Gordias normal at launch, you had to farm a full upgraded tomestone set.

You're doing yourself no favors by bringing up Gordias. People are talking about Eureka and the relic. You're just running in circles, throwing darts and hoping you hit the mark. You haven't yet. I know a dev team who seems to do that...

But your "facts" are just as baseless as ours. We just go by what we see, and what I see is almost no one with a Pagos relic (seriously, I haven't even encountered 1 person who has it in game), though I did see one linked through the NN one time. If such inactivity isn't a red flag for you, I don't know what to say.

But you go on and keep defending Eureka. It'll end well I'm sure.

[Dirwen]

I hate Eureka.

I dislike Eureka while leveling and trying for relic weapon but it's an easy way to cap tomes at least and I don't have to deal with long queue as DPS. That only applies to Amenos as I won't be trying Pagos.

I'm on the fence now concerning Eureka as there are good and bad things about it. I'm used to grinding in MMO...

[Vahlnir]

I dislike Eureka while leveling and trying for relic weapon but it's an easy way to cap tomes at least and I don't have to deal with long queue as DPS. That only applies to Amenos as I won't be trying Pagos.

Oddly enough, I have no issue with Anemos as shallow as it, and Eureka as a whole so far, may be. It is a nice way to cap tomes and an easy way to gear a fresh 70. I might not be a huge fan, but I will give credit where it's due. I shouldn't have to head there to level up efficiently for Pagos though. Challenge Log exp is insane.

[Lastelli]

In the end, maybe they did, but it was shown by the overall success. As long as we don't have stats on Eureka, we can't judge that.

But we can judge the fact that they nerfed it significantly twice now. This has never happened for any relic-related content before. It would take several months to see a nerf for arr and hw relics.
I'll let you guess why they decided to double the exp and lights gains in pagos. Oh, and the challenge log...you can basically reach level 35 easily by completely skipping pagos while doing the challenge log tasks in anemos and in fact many people are doing so.