Loot Lockout

[Dualgunner]

I think it's more of a defense for people who dc. Had a fright where healer dced after our 11s clear and during the loot distribution it took him ~200 seconds to reconnect (300s countdown timer used as a stopwatch). If it was 30s or even 150s he'd have lost out on his twine for no reason beyond network lag.

I suppose it doesn't need to be 300s. But at that moment I'm glad it was.

[CaptainLagbeard]

It IS annoying to sit there and wait, but yea, a DC could mean losing out on loot if it was too short...

Usually when I see someone being an asshat with rolls, I either alt-tab and do something for the 5 minutes or if there's something I need to do go do that instead, those people just waste their own time by doing it.

[LauraAdalena]

I disagree severely with the 300 second loot, but at the same time I don't see any of the reasons here against it as solid enough for a removal or reduction of it. It's not that I don't think it should be changed, but I just don't see a real reason that will argue hard enough for it to be changed when we don't have solid enough arguments when plenty of people came up with good reason. IE:

I think it's more of a defense for people who dc. Had a fright where healer dced after our 11s clear and during the loot distribution it took him ~200 seconds to reconnect (300s countdown timer used as a stopwatch). If it was 30s or even 150s he'd have lost out on his twine for no reason beyond network lag.

I suppose it doesn't need to be 300s. But at that moment I'm glad it was.

I just can't think of an argument strong enough to say that this loot doesn't help people when we have examples like that that help the argument for 300 seconds.

[Fhaerron]

No thanks. People need a chance to view their cutscenes if they want and to check to see if the item is a reasonable upgrade for them. There are also greedy people that will be happy to dash around opening up chests in side rooms while everyone else is in combat just to screw those people out of a chance at what's inside.

I'll stick with "too bad for you, learn how to wait patiently". If you want the loot that badly, it should be worth sticking around those couple of extra minutes.

30 seconds is long enough.
You can press need on items if people dash around and open chests while in combat, I do this all the time while tanking big groups and it doesn't interrupt my rotation at all (the GCD is 2,5 seconds, more then enough to press need on items and for multiple items you can press need in between you press your keybinds in your rotation).
Cutscenes are no excuse, MSQ roulette has no loot and SE can change so that scenes play when you exit the roulette.

I think it's more of a defense for people who dc. Had a fright where healer dced after our 11s clear and during the loot distribution it took him ~200 seconds to reconnect (300s countdown timer used as a stopwatch). If it was 30s or even 150s he'd have lost out on his twine for no reason beyond network lag.

I suppose it doesn't need to be 300s. But at that moment I'm glad it was.

This doesn't work for me, I have on many occasions had DC's when the final boss died, I log back in in less then 15 seconds and there is no loot window or anything, whenever I DC I loose my right to loot. This was a real issue for me in the past but now I use a VPN so I don't DC anymore.

[SendohJin]

This doesn't work for me, I have on many occasions had DC's when the final boss died, I log back in in less then 15 seconds and there is no loot window or anything, whenever I DC I loose my right to loot. This was a real issue for me in the past but now I use a VPN so I don't DC anymore.

if everyone has rolled already yes, but if one person hasn't, you should still see it. that's how it is for me usually.

[Xlantaa]

The 300 seconds has a purpose. First of hall ,those seeing a cutscene after a clear (yes, you re against people viewing cutscenes, but the are in their right to do it). Second, if someone disconnect, give enough time to come back. And third, after open chests, if you are in battle with trash mobs, give time to kill them, then roll on them.

It is not an arbitrary value because yes.

[Vidu]

The 300 seconds has a purpose. First of hall ,those seeing a cutscene after a clear (yes, you re against people viewing cutscenes, but the are in their right to do it). Second, if someone disconnect, give enough time to come back. And third, after open chests, if you are in battle with trash mobs, give time to kill them, then roll on them.

It is not an arbitrary value because yes.

First: How many cutscenes are actually several minutes long? Since there is no loot in Praetorium, we dont need to count those for this question. I'm not playing this game with a stopwatch, but most cutscenes seem closer to 30 seconds or maybe a minute to me. Even if we account for 2 minutes for longer ones - that still leaves us with 3 minutes to spare on the loot-timer for no good reason.

Second: Disconnects - they happen, they're annoying, but seeing how there is no way to tell wether a disconnect takes 2 minutes or 2 hours to be fixed, I dont think we should account for those to much. Specially because they're a rather rare occassion, compared to non-disconnects. 5 minutes seems like a reasonable amount of time before you kick someone, but with loot? Why?

Third: Chests arent usually opened in the middle of a fight, but either after a boss fight (-> roll on them straight away, then go ahead) or at the end of a fight with trash-mobs.

Except for the dungeons/raids with a weekly lootlockout, which are very few, you also dont need to think about wether or not you want to roll on a piece of gear, you can happly need/greed away with no consequenes (unless someone specifically requested a certain piece of gear and you feel that you want to be nice). But you dont need to carefully examine the loot and ask yourself "Do I really want this? Is it better than what I have?"
For the most part, you can just blindly roll on everything without thinking about it or even looking at the loot. You can roll on it blindly in the middle of a fight, because it doesnt matter.

The 5 minutes seem very arbitrary to me, there is nothing that would actually require the timer to be excatly 5 minutes.
2 minutes would seem very much enough to me - cutscenes are rather longer, disconnects totally unpredictable and you can still roll on loot if the middle of a fight because you dont need to even think about it or look at what you're rolling on.

[SendohJin]

Third: Chests arent usually opened in the middle of a fight, but either after a boss fight (-> roll on them straight away, then go ahead) or at the end of a fight with trash-mobs.

this is wrong, i find myself opening chests and rolling on stuff during pulls in dungeons all the time. i can see very specifically 3 of those chests in the Vault in my head right now. and i know the current and previous set of expert dungeons have them too.

they should implement the FFXI system and see how that affects things.

[LaylaTsarra]

2 minutes you have to be joking and yes people do open the chests often enough during trash mobs and as a healer i find i don't have the time to look at the loot when the tank is pulling the field let alone waiting for me to look and roll on the loot before he runs off to the next series. 5 minutes is just fine.

[SenorPatty]

I'm good with 100-120. It's enough time to view cutscene and loot check before you roll.

As for the people trying to play the chicken roll game, I just laugh it off cuz while you're hoping I lose patience and leave the instance, Ive already rolled or passed on everything and I'm already upstairs trying to find a snack or play something on my handheld as I wait.