Thread: Culling and restructuring skills to make room for 5.0 abilities

Originally Posted by Neela

for smn pls combine trance with deathflare and Bahamut with Akh Morn... those „summon“-buttons are just waste of slots especially on controller <.<

I thought so too but for the trance/deathflare I realized why it would be a TERRIBLE idea. Indeed, deathflare ends trance. Since deathflare has a cooldown anyway, I honestly don't understand why it wasn't changed with SB and still does so, but it does.

So picture yourself this exemple : in fight, you're mashing that button to enter trance (everyone is mashing let's be honest we watch PoV), and alas smash once too much : you just entered trance and immediately deathflared by mistake.

Sadness ensues.

SO yes to the switch IF they remove the "trance ending" effect, the cooldown preventing more than one use per trance anyway.

Totally ok for Akh Morn and summon Bahamut though. What I do meanwhile to compensate for their lack of thought in ergonomy, is this macro :

/micon "Enkindle Bahamut"
/macroerror off
/actionerror off
/ac "Enkindle Bahamut"
/ac "Summon Bahamut"


I use the icon of Akh morn to see the cooldown during Baha, cause we have to use it twice. The fact Bahamut is summonable is on the job UI so no need for the icon.
So what it does : if Bahamut is not here, it summons it. If he's here, it launches Akh Morn. The slight clipping for the macro on an oGCD is ok cause you normally just single weave in Bahamut. The too errors off is to avoid annoying messages.

And you can use it for some skills that only launch under a condition also. But not on deathflare cause of what I mentioned above.

Originally Posted by Duskane

yeah that is a dumb excuse
but with how striking jobs work it just wouldn't end well
since SAM mekiyo shisui can bypass combo to fill up sen or reapply buffs
and Monk is all over the place

SAMs Mekiyo Shisui is really in an odd place for this and it has to be reworked for a transition into auto advancing buttons.
As an example for a possible solution:
Mekiyo Shisui
Execute up to 3 weaponskills without prerequisites.
Combos are advanced to their combo finishers.
Adds the effect of Shifu to Kasha.
Adds the effect of Jinpu to Gekko.
Does not affect Iaijutsu.
Duration: 10 seconds

Monk on the other hand has also just one problem: Perfect Balance.
His 6 main GCD weaponskills can easily be sorted into 2 combo strings and placed on 2 buttons which are advancing to the appopiate skill for its current form.
Button 1:

1. No form/Opo-opo form: Bootshine
2. Raptor form: True Strike
3. Coeurl form: Snap Punch

Button 2:

1. No form/opo-opo form: Dragon Kick
2. Raptor form: Twin Snakes
3. Coeurl form: Demolish

So both buttons will advance based on the form and the "combos" can be mixed like usual.
Perfect Balance is the only skill who needs a whole bunch of rework to fit into this changes, even more like my Mekiyo Shisui example, but it is possible.

Merging Heavy Thrust into Impulse drive definitely makes more sense than the other way around. Less editing involved. What I'd like to see SE add in return is a dynamic finisher to DRG's combos. One that you could use as your 4th, 5th, or 6th skill without losing your average DPS, while being a true finisher. They'd likely implement a dynamic potency on it like they did with Fang and Claw/Wheeling Thrust, but make it close to Full Thrust's potency (lower on 4th, higher on 6th), to balance it overall regardless of where it was used. That way a DRG could end their combo when they need to. As long as it didn't have a positional it would be great. It would allow you to save True North for when you really need it once you got used to a fight.



Flare has been used in BLM openers before too. The reason it isn't now is because 1) Your MP doesn't allow for it under its minimum cost, and 2) You'd be giving up a Fire IV for it which thanks to the extra potency buffs just isn't worth it on single bosses anymore. It breaks ahead on 2 targets however so by all means use it to finish off a rotation if it lines up with somewhere you'd want to AoE, especially if you have a Foul ready to recover the MP tick. I don't think giving Freeze a trait to allow it to be used at 0 MP would really change that all too much. More likely what'll happen to facilitate new skills though is Blizzard II and Fire II will be replaced by Flare/Freeze entirely in that case, since they could bake that trait into Freeze itself as part of a few tweaks to it.



As for Machinist, it needs Gauss Barrel to be moved off of the hotbar, not Hot Shot. It could easily be reworked into a trait and lose nothing. Hot Shot however can be reworked to give Piercing and also act as a massive heat generator to counteract Cooldown, which would free up Barrel Stabilizer as a recovery tool, something that MCH needs badly. They also need Flamethrower, Overheat and Wildfire to be looked at. I don't know if widening the windows on the latter two would be the best idea. I think reworking them both into a stack-based buff and debuff each would be better overall, especially if they only affected weaponskills. Same with Flamethrower to be honest, just make it instantly max your heat instead of the ticks. If the overheat window was reworked into a stack buff, then using Flamethrower for AoE wouldn't feel bad at all either.