Thread: There hasn't been a single Critical Hit/Spell Speed hat since 4.0

Honestly I'd kill for even less Spell Speed on caster gear. It's pretty much useless to SMN, and too much of it can be extremely detrimental to RDM depending on your latency. The only caster who even looks at spell speed is BLM. If I could give all the BLMs the massive amounts of spell speed that is on RDM weapons for some crazy reason I would. Seriously why would you put a stat on the weapon of the /one/ caster class that can actually break from having too much spell speed?

Originally Posted by Vrankyl

(...) and too much of it can be extremely detrimental to RDM depending on your latency.

Mind telling me why it would be detrimental based on latency?! If you mean the Dualcast effect...then it's not significantly affected. And even if you pass the point where it is...there's the fact that you can just hold on for a brief moment before pushing the button again, just like I have to do with Swiftcast anyway. On the other hand you can profit from the lowered cooldown after casting the instantaneous spell.

I know that people complain about spell/skill speed unsyncing their global cooldown skills with cooldowns like Empower and what not, with there being an issue with Bahamut for Summoner...but from my point of view it's at most less efficient than Critical/Direct Hit and at worst simply requires paying a bit more attention and holding out using that extra skill. You still won't LOSE anything if you hold that time, but gain increased auto-attack damage. Just that it requires paying attention instead of spamming next button in line.

The armour sets have never been curated so it is never surprising to get lackluster gear. They just dump them into their gear generator and it spits out stats. This was obvious before since a full set would get you enough accuracy to do the raid. This is why when anima hit 275 in heavensward dragoons spec'd accuricy crit on their weapon so they could use decent gear and not get slammed by 2 million skill speed.

As a SMN I do not complain about this lol but I can see some issues for BLMs.

Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Sitting on your GCD is a much bigger loss, and increased auto-attack damage will not offset delaying your next cast. Especially on casters, where auto-attacks are laughably weak. Even the split-second delay that you would have to do between casts will quickly add up throughout an encounter.

You see, this is where I don't understand this argument. Let's use fake numbers simply because the concept matters and we're not talking about efficiency or what not.

You have a skill with a 1.99sec global cooldown and an ability with 20sec off-global cooldown. You get speed buff that decreases the global cooldown to 1.9sec.

Now, between the cooldowns, you can line up the skill ten times with 0.1sec left for whatever (PING or what have you).
If you have the speed buff, you can cast it ten times...and have 1sec left for whatever. Dodge an AoE, move for a positional or twiddle your thumbs. Or you can use the skill once more, risking breaking the sync on the large cooldown which you either will use in that 0.9sec and maybe will get one skill off less in its duration...or you will have to push it for 0.9sec to sync it with the lowered global cooldown.

If you manage to drive the global cooldown to 1.8 however, you get an extra skill in there with 0.2 to spare...which is basically what it is with its 1.99 cooldown.

Do you notice now?! No matter what, you do not LOSE anything mathematically. You can ignore the speed bonus to make the skill use the exact same, while having some more leeway for dodges and what not. Or you can try to push for maximum global cooldown skills and have to decide how to weave the abilities into it.


You said that sitting on your global cooldown is a much bigger loss, but that's EXACTLY what you do by removing the speed bonus out of the equation. You push back the global cooldown further, except you have no choice in the matter to reverse it unlike you have by having shorter cooldown and waiting.


Now, I won't claim that spell/skill speed is more efficient than critical/direct hit or determination. I don't even really care about that. What I do care is about people making claims that a skill LOWERS their damage when it is simply less efficient than alternatives, with possibly a detriment of having to pay more attention (which I do acknowledge being there).

It boils down to this. You either use the speed bonus and your bonuses from cooldowns may end up giving you less bang for the buck (which is actually not very likely since you can always fit as many lower-cooldown skills as higher-cooldown skills), or not use it by waiting a bit after X skills to effectively negate the time earned. Worse than alternatives?! Yes. Detrimental on itself?! No.

Interesting find, but not the end of the world.

Meanwhile for MNK, I’ll have to clear O11S and O12S for BiS chest and pants. Over in tankville, I can get 95% of my BiS from O9S and O10S (although I would need the upgrade items from 11S).

Annoying, but also not the end of the world. All the more reason to git gud!

Originally Posted by Aomine1992

As a SMN I do not complain about this lol but I can see some issues for BLMs.

Indeed, there is an issue for BLMs and it's blatantly annoying. These are the elements that keep pushing me back to playing Ninja.