A little scared of the future

[TaiyoShikasu]

How toxic. You have zero right to tell people to quit regardless of their level of skill. If someone does NOT want to improve (WHY THOUGH!!) that's really on them and it's not your job to be a jerk about it.

He's not wrong though. Pity the party of anyone who is not only bad, but makes no effort to get not bad.

Nearly 1800 page thread about DF and reading through them and how bad people are, you wonder how they can be so bad and somehow find joy in this game when they are a burden on every party they encounter.

[Sylvina]

He's not wrong though. Pity the party of anyone who is not only bad, but makes no effort to get not bad.

Nearly 1800 page thread about DF and reading through them and how bad people are, you wonder how they can be so bad and somehow find joy in this game when they are a burden on every party they encounter.

Doesn't give anyone the right to tell other people they can't play a game they enjoy.

[Lauront]

Doesn't give anyone the right to tell other people they can't play a game they enjoy.

They can do so at someone else's expense. Not mine.

[Kresus]

They can do so at someone else's expense. Not mine.

The "You don't pay my sub" arguement works both ways tbh.

"Neither do you pay mine, so why should I have to deal with your ****?"

[Ilan]

The "You don't pay my sub" arguement works both ways tbh.

"Neither do you pay mine, so why should I have to deal with your ****?"

Wish i could like this post a thousand times.

Its funny how people always come up with "you don't pay my sub" when someone is calling them out for beeing lazy. Seems they don't understand that they are not the only ones who pay to play the game.

[Sylvina]

They can do so at someone else's expense. Not mine.

Then don't pug. and don't queue with such people. You'll NEVER have the right to insist they dont play. ever.

[Dirwen]

Then don't pug. and don't queue with such people. You'll NEVER have the right to insist they dont play. ever.

I have to agree with this if you hate randoms so much why even pug? If they put themselves out there then they are the only ones to blame if they meet others not on their own skill level.

[Vidu]

I have to agree with this if you hate randoms so much why even pug? If they put themselves out there then they are the only ones to blame if they meet others not on their own skill level.

There is a difference between someone not being on your own skill level in a dungeon - and someone in an endgame dungeon/scenario not being able to perform basics of both their job and general gameplay. Those basics are something that you should reasonably expect, because you should be able to expect that someone contributes to the run in a meanigful way - otherwise you should be okay with your tank just going afk at the entrance of the dungeon, after all, if you didnt want to play with someone whos afk, you should have brought a full party!

I will never understand why people are okay and even defending absolute subpar gameplay.
In a dungeon it wont bother me the slightest if a ninja isnt capable of keeping trick attack up - but if they're just standing in a bossroom and spamming their AoE because they like the animation and they dont want to press more than one button, thats a problem.
If a BLM cant cast triple-Flare - so what? But if a BLM hasnt figured out that his fire-spells are the important ones by level 70... nope.
...the list could go on - DoTs for bard, smn and scholar; actually tanking mobs for pld, war and drk; keeping everyone alive while still contributing damage for ast, scholar and whm...

Luckly, those bad eggs are rare - because, again, we're not talking about perfect gameplay here, we're talking about a kind of person who didnt learn a thing in 70 levels, is now a libality to 3/7/23 other people and acts defensive when given advice or called out on it. Such a person doesnt need to be defended, they backed themself into that corner and they can step out of it anytime they want.

I dont hate randoms, most of the time, I dont even really notice that they're there. We hop in our dungeon, do our things, we get out. Because most of the time everyone is capable in a way that can be expected at level 70.

[Ilan]

Then don't pug. and don't queue with such people. You'll NEVER have the right to insist they dont play. ever.

I have to agree with this if you hate randoms so much why even pug? If they put themselves out there then they are the only ones to blame if they meet others not on their own skill level.

So it is fine for people to waste other peoples time with beeing lazy, but it is not ok to tell them that they are wasting my time? What kind of weird logic is this? We all pay a sub in this game so we all should be that polite that we don't waste other peoples time with beeing lazy.

[Dirwen]

So it is fine for people to waste other peoples time with beeing lazy, but it is not ok to tell them that they are wasting my time? What kind of weird logic is this? We all pay a sub in this game so we all should be that polite that we don't waste other peoples time with beeing lazy.

Problem is you make it sound like it happens often which it doesn't though. If it happens a lot then that means the majority of people have subpar skills then the problem is you. Majority always rule after all. Knowing SE they will cater to the majority as there is more profit in that. They are a business not your friend.

Also, you have the right to say someone is wasting your time but they also have that right no? It goes both ways. What point am I trying to make? Well gotta take the good with the bad if you play an MMO with random strangers. Pretty sure every game has this problem and there is no real solution no matter how much you complain.