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    Nyvara's Avatar
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    Thurien Storme
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    Siren
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    Unlike many games I was used to( EQ, EQ2, Wow) The Relic here isn't something needed for end game/raiding which feels sorta odd to me. Wish I knew the story of why it is like that but there ya go.

    I use a penta-melded (5 pieces of materia) I380 crafted weapon which is already superior to the pagos weapon by leaps and bounds. OK maybe a hop or two, but still. However those can be costly on the MB unless like me you are able to craft it yourself. In which case you could Run sigmascape V4.0 4 times and then Rabanastre and Lighthouse for the tokens to get a I370 weapon which will be serviceable.

    That all assumes you like me don't do EX trials because "2spooky"
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    Last edited by Nyvara; 10-01-2018 at 09:00 PM. Reason: To early for spelling

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    Tint's Avatar
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    Karuru Karu
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    Shiva
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyvara View Post
    Unlike many games I was used to( EQ, EQ2, Wow) The Relic here isn't something needed for end game/raiding which feels sorta odd to me. Wish I knew the story of why it is like that but there ya go.
    The story is a design oversight with the implemention of the story mode raids.

    Back in 2.x, the relic was indeed the best weapon for (early) progression. For example when patch 2.4 introduced a new raid tier the max item level was 110 before, with item level 115 weapons. The relic WAS item level 115 at that time. The new tomestone gear of that patch was item level 120, and the raid gear 130, with a 135 weapon. The Extreme Primal of that patch dropped an item level 110 weapon.

    With the intorduction of the story mode raids in 3.0, they implemented an item level step between the former highest item level and new tomestone gear. Wich means you don't use the gear of the last tier for (early) progression anymore. This item level step, with normal mode raid gear, crafted gear and extreme primal weapon, makes all the gear of the last tier obsolete, including the relic weapon.

    Another point is that the relic was the only option to get a strong weapon without (savage) raids at all. The tokens for the tomestone weapon were locked behind the raid. The introduction of the story mode raid also made these tokens available for everyone, wich further reduced the relevance of the relic weapon.
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    Another point is that the relic was the only option to get a strong weapon without (savage) raids at all. The tokens for the tomestone weapon were locked behind the raid. The introduction of the story mode raid also made these tokens available for everyone, wich further reduced the relevance of the relic weapon.
    Technically, you always had access to tokens from the following 24-man raid tier or hunts, even if not right away.
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